S10 Analysis: Why Swiss shouldn't be used next season
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Hey there, after the chaos that has ensued within our community in regards to Advanced and thinking about what we can do differently next season; I decided to take a look and examine the effects of swiss on the current season of advanced and solutions to our scoring system. Here’s a report.
(k cool love you thanks for reading k bye bbgorl :D)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jzlv2_27NRnM5YV5UA9Cv6cmcBpKlyosCb5oMwRB4gM/edit# -
i totally agree - swiss does not work well with smaller divs so yeah
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yall some nerds
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This seems like something RGL staff should consider. Maybe put a question in the end of season polls.
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100% in support of this. Could definitely improve the general experience for everyone.
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balls lol
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I think the size of the divs is the biggest problem with rgl right now im glad you guys touched up on that
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i agree with your ideas regarding the improvement of the point system, but personally, I believe a win/loss system would be a beneficial fix for all divs. i don’t want to derail BBL’s points, so for anyone who wants to ask me about it, dm me.
balls lol
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idk why the div below invite, the div thats supposed to get players ready for invite, isnt using the same format that invite is
makes no sense lol!
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I’m just here to say no more swiss
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you are all dumb
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Honestly the biggest change that needs to happen, regardless of W/L vs Points, Swiss vs RR, Challenger vs no Challenger; is that we need to increase the length of the season to allow more time in flexibility of schedules, more accurate seedings for playoffs, and to better match 6’s schedule instead of doing our own thing that starts one week behind for seemingly no reason.
I.E.> We need more matches during the regular season
Edit: Also Swiss has always been bad and we have known it has been bad since UGC days. The only reason we should do Swiss now is if we have no choice (divs too big, etc).
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Mothership just a question for clarification, why not a smaller season. it would save time making the polls (joke)
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Mothership on a real note, it would allow us the potential to squeeze an extra season into the year, could reduce the map pool for something that most people would like, least in my eyes
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@touca said in S10 Analysis: Why Swiss shouldn't be used next season:
Mothership on a real note, it would allow us the potential to squeeze an extra season into the year, could reduce the map pool for something that most people would like, least in my eyes
More seasons are not better, and shorter seasons are not better.
I am not a div admin, or a format staff, so take this with a grain of salt,
…but there is a considerable amount of work that goes into making each season happen. most of the work for a season/format is from just getting it off the ground. Think placements, restrictions, setting up the website, etc etc. Adding more seasons means more of that, and admin burn out would be immense.
Also shorter seasons means less matches and less accurate seedings for playoffs. All the debate we are having is on RR vs. Swiss and more notably W/L vs MP. I personally prefer RR and round MP over that, but more matches negates any kind of lead those systems would have, and at that point, simpler systems prevail.
If we had lets say, only two seasons a year, that were both like 12 weeks long lets say, W/L would be better as a simpler record, we could have RR for all the divs practically (12 week season means 13 team RR) and seedings would be super accurate. This would also leave more room and time between seasons for more eloquently planned out cups.
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Mothership yeah, i agree with the points that you’ve provided. I guess that leaves the question as to how maps would be decided, but I won’t bloviate in respect to BBL’s original response
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@touca said in S10 Analysis: Why Swiss shouldn't be used next season:
Mothership yeah, i agree with the points that you’ve provided. I guess that leaves the question as to how maps would be decided, but I won’t bloviate in respect to BBL’s original response
oh we would be fucked in that regard. but we could just add borneo and make next season 8 weeks. Its something we can do, but anything beyond that needs more maps the community agrees is good enough for competitive play, or we would need to repeat maps.
(as you see I am willing to give up a lot of what I think is best for something I think is more important)
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new season same thread
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@BMPD said in S10 Analysis: Why Swiss shouldn't be used next season:
new season same thread
new season same thread