Bring back 5cp to hl
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my love for 5cp will never die and y’all can suck my balls
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i’d like to play a cup where the map pool is one of those godforsaken ugc summer seasons, like fuck it let’s just play croissant and standin and turbine
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im willing to give it all a try. cant speak from experience because i wasnt around during this era
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Average 5cp enjoyer
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i support chocc
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Not testing the b4nny config in a map test cup when it hasn’t been used in hl before is just foolish. It doesn’t have to be the entire cup but at least through in gully.
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Am I the only pyro main that loves lakeside
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@JohhnyFromCali probably
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ive only really ever played gully in HL in pugs, but its been fun whenever ive played it. i think its at least worth a shot to try it out in a preseason exp map cup
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It’s been ages since 5 CP was tried and I think it’s an appropriate time to at least try it again. The biggest issue was the stalemates as everyone knows but, we do have a new map configuration for that so it’s worth an attempt in a map cup.
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The map meta is so stale rn and every map cup we do literally nothing changes. I’m aware there’s been moves to change this (RGL Map Development Pugs), but I still think when doing experimental cups, there should be more experimenting than just the same few maps every time. Instead of playing the same maps every map cup, why not try some new things/reintroduce some things??
When every map cup is the same few maps, I don’t want to play it. I’m sure this sentiment is shared by others as well.
Speaking from an engineer perspective, 5cp is a breath of fresh air. It allows for a lot of variability in play which is great for one of the most boring classes in the game.
I don’t see why more experimental things can be tried instead of playing the same 8 maps every single season. I stand with Chocc.
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I always enjoyed playing gullywash in highlander, I’d be down to bring back 5cp.
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@JohhnyFromCali said in Bring back 5cp to hl:
Am I the only pyro main that loves lakeside
I actually enjoy it but I do think if your team is getting steamrolled it is awful to play, easily the worst out of the koths.
On 5cp, I would just suggest that if it were played in a map cup there needs to be more of an incentive to really really play to win. The last map cup I played (the synthetic and clearcut one) it was treated pretty nonchalantly, but 5cp in particular I think needs to be thoroughly tested in a serious format to see if degenerate strats are too strong. Don’t think people would attempt to turtle on second unless there were some stakes involved.
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Speaking from an engineer perspective, 5cp is a breath of fresh air. It allows for a lot of variability in play which is great for one of the most boring classes in the game.
To be clear, this post is just me replying to a point from the perspective of a player and is not indicative of what the RGL staff believes.
As someone that has played HL at the top level when Gullywash, Process, etc., were in the rotation, I do not see how it is a “breath of fresh air” for engineer other than forcing variety for the sake of it being different. In Gullywash, you would have engineers sit on last with a level 3 gun. Then move it up to big door on second and just wrangle once you capped second. Then move it up to mid point and wrangle once you had mid. There is very little room for any flank play when each team all has permanent turtle classes specifically designed to slow down the game unlike in 6v6.
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@Grynn said in Bring back 5cp to hl:
Speaking from an engineer perspective, 5cp is a breath of fresh air. It allows for a lot of variability in play which is great for one of the most boring classes in the game.
you do not have a lot of variability, just that you are more flexible because you being a hard support class are able to support your team in multiple chokes. However you are still a slow squishy class and can not do anything on your own.
Most my time on 5cp was spent sitting around waiting for my or the opposing team to do something. The best advice I gave to my mentees was to treat it like a top down strategy game. Pay attention to what is happening on the map, and rotate and respond accordingly.
This is how every map went.
cp_gullywash.
- Mid you sit at big door wrangling anyone off the point while you babysit your sniper.
- 2nd you sit at big door with your scout and solly, just hard wrangling anyone that peaks.
- On last you sit on the right side with a level 3 waiting for the uber exchange.
cp_process
- Mid you sit at choke with a wrangled mini while babysitting your sniper and medic.
- 2nd: The big debate is if you should watch sewers with your solly to prevent their sniper from being able to peak your whole 2nd, or if you have to rotate to IT because their solly is trying to sneak behind so he can hot drop your medic.
- Last you build a level 3.
cp_sunshine
- Mid. Wrangler at choke. hope you don’t get bombed by the flank solly.
- 2nd. hardcore defensive mini strats!
- last. same but with level 3s.
cp_vanguard
- Ditto
cp_glassworks
- I have a very distinct memory of sitting on a dispenser on last for 10 minutes while watching our demo spawn, die and then respawn over and over again bored out of my mind. I am pretty sure I just alt tabbed at some point to read manga until comms said they were finally pushing in.
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If you are bored, just go watch this 5cp POV video of exa_ to get a taste of engineer on 5cp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCfgaFpkA0
How bout everyone play some 5cp in your pug groups first instead of trying to force it into a map cup with very limited slots.
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@Mothership very excited for the next map cup featuring synthetic, ramjam, and ashville_rc3a (has new lights in lobby)
can we actually try something for once please thanks
metas change, players change, strategies change, can we just actually use it for something for once.
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@Mothership
congratulations you have found out that playing engineer is about watching your sniper and chilling with your flank.EUREKA
tl;dr engie is a boring ass class
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@lucki There is a reason I have not mained engineer since season 7
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@cayorne said in Bring back 5cp to hl:
@Mothership very excited for the next map cup featuring synthetic, ramjam, and ashville_rc3a (has new lights in lobby)
can we actually try something for once please thanks
metas change, players change, strategies change, can we just actually use it for something for once.
I am not sure why you are saying that to me, I 100% agree with you.
My issue is that it is pointless to try and see if 5cp works if we already know the answer to that. (The answer is no)