seasonal "point system sucks" thread
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@tua
define what it means to be the “best” team. In my point of view, if your team can’t close out games then how are you considered to be one of the “best” teams? I don’t think the skill difference should matter when it comes into scoring a team. If a team can’t compete with teams then why are they in that division in the first place? Yes there will always be a bottom team in a division, but it shouldn’t count against teams who happen to get paired against them.
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@pajaro only thing i’ll say about this is that the points given to teams that won vs teams that lost has been adjusted to favor winning teams more since s2. We are now in the playoffs of season 10. I think we are at the point where using examples from the first seasons of rgl is not at all realistic to where rgl is now.
Ex:
4-1 in s2: 2.4 for winning team, .60 for losing team
4-1 in s10: 2.67 for winning team, .33 for losing teamI don’t feel like searching for other results to compare, but you get the picture.
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One thing that’s worth thinking of is that a team that wins most matches but loses a few badly is more likely just bad at some maps or had a few bad days/weeks than being bad overall, but a team that consistently loses despite putting in their best effort and taking rounds off teams consistently likely just needs more refinement. The former is better
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@vibeisveryo very good point
if it was pick/ban then the more consistent team in that case would likely be better
teams hardly play each 7 maps in playoffs anyways, you mostly figure out what your bans are during the season -
Imo slightly altered pick ban would be cool. Like pick ban but 1 week it’s just koth maps 1 week it’s just PL maps. Add more steel like maps and have a week be those, means teams have to be more well rounded and can’t just play one game mode the whole season.
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@Mothership
THIS HAPPENED THIS SEASON
this already kind of sucks because the team with more wins didn’t make it, must suck right?
it gets worse
so this team got a few close wins, but still closed out some big matches
THIS TEAM WENT 1-4 WITH 2 FORFEITS!!!
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS EVEN A THING, AND BETTER YET HOW DID THE ADMINS ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN???
GET RID OF THIS SHIT
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@cayorne This is really awesome! As a player on the team that is first place in AM, I have played against both of these teams. I think it is extremely unfair that this has happened. It is what it is, is just a better team and I am in absolute awe that a team with ONE win has snuck by a team with FOUR wins. Very cool! I love how the RGL ruleset handle this
Really makes me feel like a team that improves throughout the season and has some close matches with equal skill level teams (some of those being with teams who made it into playoffs) is pointless! I love a ruleset that basically means if you don’t 3-0, there isn’t a point in playing your match!!! VERY COOL !! -
I would really like to see some justification why this is okay beyond “muh ruleset”
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cayorne is getting bumped up to second favorite forumposter for this one
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Add this to the post season survey and then don’t withhold the results
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@lYnn I think the best way to get this changed is to make sure someone’s team doesn’t make playoffs under MP but would under win loss. Seems like someone’s team not making things is a pretty good way to change how things work. (not naming names).
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@Xenagos If only there was some team willing to take this heroic dive. Cannot think of one team ever that has perhaps abused this rule to get last place
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@cayorne that just looks like an issue with FF wins giving full match points. Which was not how it was originally iirc, but was changed to full MP because people complained that they should not be punished because another team died or did not show up for the match.
You are currently arguing that that team that got those FF do not deserve to make playoffs because of those teams dying or not showing up, when they had no control over the situation. There is no winning in this, someone will be mad.
The situation does suck, but also take note that the FF issue would still exist in a strictly W/L structure. all it takes is one 4-3 team vs a 4-3 team with a FF.
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@Mothership this team did not deserve a playoff spot, but due entirely to the fact that it is predicated on rounds taken, they got one
i don’t get keeping the whole system as is when you could very easily, and without any kind of backlash eliminate 50% of these problems
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@Xenagos Why not add Borneo?
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@Mothership
So if someone is going to be mad, why not enforce what objectively makes more sense than changing policy every season or 2 to address people who whine? I understand getting screwed out of playoffs because a team forfeited and you didnt get full points is frustrating, but I would argue that it is much worse to screw a team with a winning record out of playoff contention because a team with a losing record got a clutch forfeit win. -
@Sputn1x dog map
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@Mothership its not an issue with FF wins giving full match points and its entirely an issue that win loss doesnt determine getting into playoffs! because, guess what, YOU DONT DROP ROUNDS WHEN YOU GET A FORFEIT WIN.
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@pajaro said in seasonal "point system sucks" thread:
@Mothership its not an issue with FF wins giving full match points and its entirely an issue that win loss doesnt determine getting into playoffs! because, guess what, YOU DONT DROP ROUNDS WHEN YOU GET A FORFEIT WIN.
@Mothership said in seasonal "point system sucks" thread:
…Which was not how it was originally iirc, but was changed to full MP because people complained that they should not be punished because another team died or did not show up for the match.
The situation does suck, but also take note that the FF issue would still exist in a strictly W/L structure. all it takes is one 4-3 team vs a 4-3 team with a FF.
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if its in a W/L why not have a tiebreaker system where it goes head to head, match points (extremely unlikely to be tied), harder schedule and if they somehow tie all 3 of those categories, they play a tiebreaker match
with the current system its just a shitfest of teams who didn’t win games taken spots from teams that did
there is no reason to not fix half of something, even if the whole thing cannot be fixed