Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
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Also, you’re trying to police one of the most toxic steam communities out there. You’re gonna have issues.
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@clin said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
Also, you’re trying to police one of the most toxic steam communities out there. You’re gonna have issues.
this for sure, you’re gonna run into problems real fast (as evidenced by this forum thread)
@nukanga said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
rgl has a ton of problems that are very rooted there is no point sometimes u just have to cope people are toxic but at the end of the day this is just petty an kind of sad iv played tf2 for like 6-7 years people are just toxic my guess is you havent played as long as i have an i wish u the best
i def agree to an extent. a lot of this is just ingrained tf2/competitive culture shit that’s existed for a long time. though I don’t think that means you should just do nothing about it and try and cope. the problem has definitely gotten better over the past couple of years
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@Flvffi Hate speech = free speech. Or better yet hate speech just doesn’t exist. But this is getting off topic.
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@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
@Mothership There are people here arguing for policing private servers such as @Xenagos and @cyclowns
I actually don’t think RGL should police private discords.
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@Xenagos its like having ur boss look over ur arm 24/7 :C
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Just asking, how many people here actually support someone getting banned in a discord for saying the Gamer Word? This discord is entirely separate from RGL, like an in-house pug group or team discord.
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i still think people are way too caught up on “policing” as if RGL is going to have sanctioned watchguards in every team discord looking for missteps or whatever. if any solution is implemented it’ll just happen when shit gets reported by multiple people, not that complicated
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@Kastaling this is completely unrelated to the current issue
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@Mothership said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
To be completely honest, I am not sure what we debating here anymore as I dont think anyone agrees that we should be policing private places. Its beyond RGL’s scope and resources. Its just unfeasible.
A few zealots here really really want to make that happen, no matter how infeasible it is.
RGL can literally do whatever they want. They do do whatever they want within their platform due to the actions of users outside their platform. Its 100% within our right.
Like people have said upthread, there’s an enormous difference between what the league can technically do hypothetically if they felt like it, and what would actually be fair, just, and reasonable for them to implement. Everyone sane here is talking about the latter question. The term “freedom of speech” was brought in for a discussion about principles, not about literal US law, but it’s clearly misunderstood here.
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@nukanga Yeah my boss does do that. My behavior reflects on the organization I work for.
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@cyclowns this is literally what we are discussing
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@Kastaling “is it okay to get banned from a discord for saying the n word” actually is not what we are discussing
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at least it isnt ugc -_-
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@cyclowns oh, my wording is a bit confusing. getting banned from rgl for saying it in a discord is what i meant
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@Kastaling said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
@cyclowns oh, my wording is a bit confusing. getting banned from rgl for saying it in a discord is what i meant
then that question will be answered by league surveys in the future so we can actually collect reasonably good data from it
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@cyclowns i was asking here, as what we are talking about is kinda getting off topic from the issue at hand.
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The only thing that im concerned about is, an offhanded comment that includes the nword that isnt directed at anyone, is said and then someone gets perma’d
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@Papaya
Sorry, I’m having trouble understanding something. What do you mean by “policing”?
What I imagine, when someone states that RGL is “polic[ing] what happens outside their platform[s]” is that RGL is somehow preventing something from occurring outside of their platform, through some “extrajudicial” means. As an example, if RGL decided to and somehow managed to ban players from NON-RGL platforms, this is something I would consider “policing”.
Everything that RGL does in reality (to my understanding) would occur entirely within its own platform, however the EVIDENCE that is presented to them may ORIGINATE from non-rgl spaces, almost certainly accessed and submitted by someone who is not on RGL staff, AKA a member of that private platform.
So, under my own conception of “policing”, no, this does not constitute that. Maybe my understanding is too relaxed or doesn’t line up with RGL’s? If you can provide evidence or reasonable inferences that RGL would be limiting anyone outside of its own platform? Or maybe a better way to understand what you mean by “policing”?
If, as a consequence of this, players end up deciding to limit their usage of slurs/bigotry, and/or to report bigotry by players occurring outside of RGL, then ultimately it is up to them to do so.
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@cyclowns I think people were more speaking on the free speech aspect outside of RGL affiliated things.