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1. old forums were for highlander only, these forums are intended to include 6s and PL as well (just acting as a central hub for discussion about competitive more or less)
2. old forums ran on ridiculously old software, these are newer, more resilient and way easier to use (esp. with regards to admin tooling)
3. new forums are way cleaner overall, a lot more features that will make stuff easier, and because the forums are trying to grow in scope they’ll help a lot

and like markers said yeah it’s nice to have something more modern if we care about growing the scene

GGGG NKB that was one of the closest matches ive played in a while

the issue at hand here has literally nothing to do with free speech. imo there’s just no reason to moderate/make decisions based on private discussions because
a) logistically, there’s going to be a lot of shit to sift through
b) there’s going to be a lot of shit to sift through because this is ultimately a culture problem within the TF2 community, partly propelled by a relatively small amount of problem users

@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@cyclowns But you also have to remember that the actions refrenced in the original post would disproportionately affect the high level players in RGL, which the surveys do not take into account.

would they? open players definitely still say le funny words. besides, you can just filter the surveys by adv/challenger/invite so it doesn’t really matter

@Kastaling said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@cyclowns I agree with this. Let’s put it to a vote. See how many people would actually support such an overreach like policing private discords. I guarantee the amount of people supporting this would get pummeled by the amount of people voting “no”.

sure, after discussion in the forums, which is the whole point of this thread

Then maybe afterwards we can have a vote to relax slur restrictions. After all, they are just words.

tf2 players be like

if you say some stupid shit that a group of people don’t like they are under no obligation to associate with you or give you a platform for said stupid shit

there should literally be no argument about free speech here. you do not have a human right to participate in a TF2 league. being barred from the league does not “silence your free speech” it just means you have to go elsewhere to voice it. Jesus Christ

@Papaya contrary to popular belief RGL is not a totalitarian Orwellian 1984 police state government. it’s a tf2 league

cant believe RGL is being influenced so heavily by the Big Bliztank lobby

one of my favorite gamers to play with, just a super good dude and chill to be around. Make sure to immediately execute him if you pick him up

good dude and good player

best homie hella player

don’t let the spies know

@HA-Johnny 1000% this

@Kastaling said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@cyclowns oh, my wording is a bit confusing. getting banned from rgl for saying it in a discord is what i meant

then that question will be answered by league surveys in the future so we can actually collect reasonably good data from it

@Kastaling “is it okay to get banned from a discord for saying the n word” actually is not what we are discussing

@Kastaling this is completely unrelated to the current issue

i still think people are way too caught up on “policing” as if RGL is going to have sanctioned watchguards in every team discord looking for missteps or whatever. if any solution is implemented it’ll just happen when shit gets reported by multiple people, not that complicated

@clin said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

Also, you’re trying to police one of the most toxic steam communities out there. You’re gonna have issues.

this for sure, you’re gonna run into problems real fast (as evidenced by this forum thread)

@nukanga said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

rgl has a ton of problems that are very rooted there is no point sometimes u just have to cope people are toxic but at the end of the day this is just petty an kind of sad iv played tf2 for like 6-7 years people are just toxic my guess is you havent played as long as i have an i wish u the best

i def agree to an extent. a lot of this is just ingrained tf2/competitive culture shit that’s existed for a long time. though I don’t think that means you should just do nothing about it and try and cope. the problem has definitely gotten better over the past couple of years

@Kastaling said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

Also, consider the fact that censoring people only radicalizes them,

citation needed

You would still be playing with people that actively are racist, transphobic, sexist, etc… They just choose not to publicly express it. Should we get into policing their thoughts too?

no one has pushed that position in the past, present or future, so I don’t know where you’re pulling these opinions from

@Iso said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@Mothership A majority are against having slurs in official scrims and matches. I’m confident that if the league was polled about whether RGL should police off-platform speech, the majority vote would turn against that.

sure, i imagine this will lead to a survey at some point

@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@HA-Johnny This is ABSOLUTELY a violation of privacy because RGL has 0 right to police what happens outside their platform. Players already have solutions to deal with racism off platform, and it is not RGL’s place to police that.

people keep saying “police” like RGL is going to lock you up for saying the n word. why is RGL not allowed to make decisions based on things that happen off platform?

@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@cyclowns Again, forums are public. Separate argument.

you keep saying ‘public’ when you mean ‘RGL-affiliated’

@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@cyclowns All of those situations have nothing to do with the core issue here, which is RGL policing what player say in PRIVATE SERVERS. In example one RGL forums are public, not private. In example 2 that is not an example of RGL doing the policing. Same with the third.

what makes RGL different from the person that owns the discord server banning someone?

@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@Mothership There are people here arguing for policing private servers such as @Xenagos and @cyclowns

“i should say that I’m not even necessarily FOR everything said in the OP. this is mostly just because I think it’s logistically difficult, and it doesn’t really solve the actual issue here, which is the TF2 competitive community’s culture and general attitude towards a lot of shit”

…also, I fail to see what that has to do with anything. even if I did agree with this, I’m just one person, obviously there would need to be a league survey to decide any actions actually taken

@clin said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

Whilst I do believe saying the RGL Verified Funny Word should be very frowned upon, I do not believe RGL admins and moderators should be policing team discords and group chats searching for people who violated that rule, I believe you’re removing the players right for privacy in their own discords, policing discords in general already takes long enough, let alone doing that to the couple hundred discords that RGL Players/Teams have not even including PUG discords is going to be way too much for the unpaid volunteers that RGL has.

with @HA-Johnny’s suggestion of just only going off of information in reports, none of this is really that big of an issue

@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@cyclowns All of those situations have nothing to do with the core issue here, which is RGL policing what player say in PRIVATE SERVERS. In example one RGL forums are public, not private. In example 2 that is not an example of RGL doing the policing. Same with the third.

the point of 2/3 is that they were analogous to RGL. just because I didn’t use the word ‘RGL’ doesn’t change anything.