Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
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@Bonesaw good point.
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@Kastaling i never said that you can deduct that the whole of rgl is racist lmao. imagine u go to that bar and the first person really hates you for who you are. you probably would be less inclined to go there than another bar in which u first meet someone more inclusive right?
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@Bonesaw said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
@hew said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
It is within RGL’s right to ask you to conduct yourselves in a non-racist fashion even behind closed doors and it’s not a very large ask.
You say this but offer no real reason why RGL should be, at all, concerned about how a player acts behind closed doors given that their behavior isn’t inflicting harm on another person or player. It is their job to be a video game league, not the moral police of all TF2 players in all walks of their life. If players like randyw or Mono72 fail to uphold the conduct expectations in official channels then they should be banned for those offenses. No one is saying that you should not be able to be banned for hate speech, merely that RGL ultimately has no reason to ban players for speech and servers which are, at best, tangentially related to RGL .
Team Discords are clearly related to RGL. Disingenuous to suggest they’re not even tangentially related when they wouldn’t exist otherwise
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@mute chill dawg
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@mute ggs only
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@Teapot They are unrelated to RGL because team discords are set up, run by, and provided by people other than RGL staff. Also how would you differentiate between a team discord and a friend discord with RGL players? There is no clear definition for a “team discord” , and because discord servers aren’t owned or operated by RGL, they don’t get a say in how to moderate them.
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@Kawaiyi i was making a point that showing just because someone is offended by what you say doesn’t take away the right for you to say it. People are always gonna find some way to be offended at what someone says and guess what? We don’t take away their right to say it. Anti racism is not more important than freedom of speech
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@vibeisveryo Hmm, almost like real life
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@Kawaiyi Equating not policing private discords to “perpetuating racism” is completely unfair. That would be like saying “because the police don’t search homes every day, they are perpetuating drug abuse”
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@Kastaling much more so than in real life, where many organizations are already taking an approach like that advocated in OP. for example universities routinely expel students who post racist things outside their spaces
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@Teapot consider the following: if someone has a private discord with their friends, and these friends tf2, and they decide to run their team through this discord, is that discord magically a team discord?
If it’s not run by RGL, it’s private
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@cKrow shows how easy it would be to frame someone
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@Papaya said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
@Teapot They are unrelated to RGL because team discords are set up, run by, and provided by people other than RGL staff. Also how would you differentiate between a team discord and a friend discord with RGL players? There is no clear definition for a “team discord” , and because discord servers aren’t owned or operated by RGL, they don’t get a say in how to moderate them.
Suppose an RGL admin belongs to a team Discord that is filled with hate speech and racism. Those admins might play on a team with people who are racist behind closed doors. Should the league tolerate their admins turning a blind eye to that type of behavior?
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@Teapot said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
Team Discords are clearly related to RGL.
No, they aren’t. If RGL dies tomorrow and a new league pops up, the Team Discord would still be around. If RGL dies tomorrow and NO league came to take its place, the Team Discord would still be around because people still want to play TF2 competitively. RGL helps the TF2 competitive scene, but it’s not the thing that keeps it alive, that’s the players.
Without RGL, people would just start doing their own private tournaments and even graduate to item prizes and donation winnings until a new league formed because people just wanna play some comp TF2.
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@Kastaling if they are truly their friends only in there then they should have no problem saying stuff everyone is comfortable with without it being reported, and it definitely shouldn’t be targeted harasssment in there
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@Teapot If its behind closed doors then yes. RGL has no right to police what you say in a private discord.