Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
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@vibeisveryo if you have to look around for it, or have screenshots be revealed from closed off chats like personal servers or dms (as to say the dms are not between the “harasser” and the target of the ahrassment), then its not targeted harassment. if the harassment is brought to someone’s eyes outside of their digging, its harassment, and should be punished
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@Kastaling the league is responsible for protecting its members to a reasonable extent. if someone, through the league, finds a team server or pug server, and then something happens there that would hurt them, then they are being let down by the league.
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@Kawaiyi He’s on your side though?
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@vibeisveryo eh, I don’t entirely agree with that. Of course if that team or pug genuinely harassed them or something, or course ban them. But if people in that team or pug like to, for instance call each other slurs as a joke while gaming or talking? I see no reason to ban them for something that’s obviously not harassment
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@Kawaiyi said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
@Kastaling He literally posted this about himself in a public discord.
so i’m laughing at how poorly written the test is.
i don’t get what you’re getting at? i mostly agree with you here
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@Kawaiyi that still makes it ad hominem, you’re not refuting the argument at hand, only insulting the character of the person making the argument
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@vibeisveryo I get what you are trying to say here but it seems you are missing the reality of this league. All volunteers, unpaid, and dealing with a large community. What you are proposing is tough in it of itself for the league to even handle. When I was working with Activision Support the same thing was in place. They had full time employees who were able to go through each report of harassment and deal with it thoroughly. I gave out hundreds of bans and it was a great system. However what you are proposing is just unreasonable and genuinely on the line of most people views. I would say most people want it to stay this way if you sent out a survey.
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@toast let me get what ur saying straight, we should tolerate hate speech until all targeted people leave the league due to the toxicity it fostered.
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@Kawaiyi you have a pub of people here telling you its not as black and white (ha) as racist or not racist and with the mental gymnastics you’re doing to ignore it you could get a phd with that level of mental effort
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@hedaeoh No thats not what im saying. Read above because clearly you didnt. I support RGL taking action for everything that has to do with non private discords and out of league communities. I clearly said everything I think above if you care.
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@Kawaiyi I have no idea how tomorrow is MLK day has ANY SIGNIFICANCE AT ALL TO ANYTHING THATS GOING ON. also it is a right but that’s besides the point. Free speech.
please read the arguments people are actually saying before continuing to misinterpret and virtue signal
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@Kawaiyi no you should go outside
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@vibeisveryo said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:
@Kastaling the league is responsible for protecting its members to a reasonable extent. if someone, through the league, finds a team server or pug server, and then something happens there that would hurt them, then they are being let down by the league.
But this argument could be extended to almost anything far beyond it’s logical meaning. If I discover English Soccer at my local KKK meeting, does this mean that I will correctly believe that English Soccer is inherently racist? The answer of a reasonable person would be no. If one chooses to believe that despite evidence to the contrary then one chooses to believe something that is false. There is no reason why the league is responsible for its players outside of their function as players of the league or league-related content. Some players will be bigots inevitably. The responsibility of RGL is to prevent it from leaking into its moderated spheres, not to try to exorcise all of these players for failing to acquiesce to some moral standard they don’t believe in in all private interactions with other TF2 players.
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Racism is so deeply embedded in this community it boggles my mind. If you folks are so worried about being banned for your conduct in private discords maybe you should acknowledge how abhorrent that behavior is and seek to change it and better yourselves. Nobody is asking much of you. It is within RGL’s right to ask you to conduct yourselves in a non-racist fashion even behind closed doors and it’s not a very large ask. You guys have shown me in the past few days that you lack character and moral back-bone. I am ashamed to be associated with the lot of you.
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@hedaeoh hate speech is free speech. And honestly the problem is not bad at all in my eyes. Just block people lmao, you have no obligation to interact with them besides instances where you are protected by RGL
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@Kawaiyi And I feel like you are missing the arguments of people and rather generalizing people talking here by saying “you racists” and such which doesn’t help at all. So kindly fuck off, contribute thoughts and opinions or just shut up rather than calling everyone racist.
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