The scorch shot discussion has always been a little funny to think about because there’s really nothing overpowered about the weapon besides it being annoying to people. The entire class would have been banned years ago if people screeching “annoying” had ever been an effective argument. Especially considering axtinguisher and puff and sting meta ran the table for years.
Let’s think about this. Pyro is already the weakest class in the game, made significantly more so by the fact the dm potential of the class was nerfed significantly by the pyro update/degreaser nerf a few years back. I want to imagine that people have gone so long without feeling the impact of pyro’s afterburn that the fact that they’re now on fire a bit more often is that agonizingly annoying to them that they’re screeching more now than they ever did about being stun-locked in old airblast.
Pyro has been downgraded so significantly over the years that its role has dwindled to a mere backline watchdog, and if anything the sc meta is the first move in a long while to improve an otherwise extremely range limited class’ utility to further aid the team. It doesn’t have to be a full time weapon, and this was the first season I branched out from my typical lineup to even experiment with its use on most maps. But what I found is that there are many circumstances where you can assist in denials, albeit small ones, on maps where pyro otherwise has a limited role. This can be on sniper, or flank, or doing the final damage in a koth midfight where you’d otherwise have no role but to chill in the back. People are complaining about what it detracts from the game, which REALLY isn’t much especially if your considering its pyro and it doesn’t begin to scratch the other weapons that are arguably way more (actually) OP/banned… but not many stop to consider what it brings to a team on an otherwise shit class. Not to mention, the scorch/det are direct downgrades in close range combat to the shotty/flare among others, which is significant when you consider the degreaser already has the lowest dps of any primary weapon and every second matters in trying to protect a combo at range. Not to mention, it one of very few weapons that can contest snipers at range, if anything else but to force them on to darwins. Imagine wanting to ban one of a few counters to sniper (lol) while vouching how much shit like the wrangler adds to the game. The weapon is a deterrent, and with the opposing pyro/healthpacks around it usually doesn’t come into significant play that often outside of hassling at range. I main shotgun so honestly I’ll probably just go back to that more often regardless of a ban, I just think the fact that its even up for discussion is stupid as hell because there are genuinely few reasons for a ban besides people bitching about minor inconvenience from a class that should otherwise be useless
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RE: [Forked] Scorch Shot Ban Discussion
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Delay the July 4th Match
As we know there is currently a scheduled match on the night of July 4th. As this is a relatively major US holiday there seem to be a lot of people who plan to miss or have schedule conflicts both on the weekend of and especially the night of the 4th. I think there is good reason to look at delaying a week. There are otherwise very few subs/ringers to go around to fill the amount missing across the div, which adds strain on the teams even when planning this far ahead.
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RE: michael beyblade wants to sweat highlander again
Was a fun guy to team with, I was proud to have him as my spy for several seasons. He’s a fragger, easy to work with, reliable player. Would gladly play with again
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RE: kira lft inv demo s14
Kira has such drive and willingness to improve. He was able to step up to the plate in invite and has the potential to really establish himself if given the opportunity to keep learning and developing his skillset and confidence as an invite demoman. He’s a capable maincaller and has shown that he can compete within playoff caliber teams, especially if he continues growing his experience and consistency
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RE: Townze Lft Invite Demo S14
I’ve always had a lot of respect for Townze’s desire and drive. Hard work should pay off with results, and he never backed down from a challenge even when faced with adversity. He really showed up this season and I’m glad to see him continuing to work toward that fight. To top it off, he accepted the results of this season with dignity and grace which I hope speaks to his growth
Best of luck, hope to see you around in the future
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RE: Delay the July 4th Match
@Constantly Well, Halloween is typically not observed while historically July 4th has been. Get subs is simple to say when you don’t have to convince players to play on a holiday when most other teams are already scrambling to take those that do, and there are a lot of holes to fill.
Its fair to say where do you draw the line… none of us love the smaller off-seasons, but sometimes it’s necessary as well. As a scheduler I believe you have to account for the times a major holiday lands on a Monday, which only happens once every six or so years anyway. It’s poor luck that there are so many this year as is.
As someone said, the valentines skip was unavoidable because of the combination of the superbowl and valentines falling back to back. You can argue that only Americans miss the 4th, but look at how many Americans miss the superbowl lol.
If it has to stay, so be it, but it’s just a nightmare waiting to happen.
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RE: Delay the July 4th Match
To bump this thread on a relevant note, when can we expect the survey to go out regarding July 4th for that decision to be made?
Many players have already noted their absences across the div so it would be nice from a planning perspective (and plane tickets etc etc) that this be made sooner rather than later.
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RE: Unban The Scorch Shot
yes unban the scorch shot
but no, one of the biggest reasons it was banned was due to the stun/knockback and contributing crit damage. Degenerating the meta isn’t exactly an argument considering most teams make their pyros run perma det nowadays anyway. Lets be real that people just hated playing against it
https://forums.rgl.gg/topic/685/forked-scorch-shot-ban-discussion?_=1670997453425
read up on the original ban thread if you’d like to read the discussion
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RE: lft inv demo s18
I’ll always have immense respect for Kira, he deserves any success that is coming to him as its been a product of hard work and a wealth of knowledge
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RE: Unban The Scorch Shot
yes unban the scorch shot
but no, one of the biggest reasons it was banned was due to the stun/knockback and contributing crit damage. Degenerating the meta isn’t exactly an argument considering most teams make their pyros run perma det nowadays anyway. Lets be real that people just hated playing against it
https://forums.rgl.gg/topic/685/forked-scorch-shot-ban-discussion?_=1670997453425
read up on the original ban thread if you’d like to read the discussion
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RE: Townze Lft Invite Demo S14
I’ve always had a lot of respect for Townze’s desire and drive. Hard work should pay off with results, and he never backed down from a challenge even when faced with adversity. He really showed up this season and I’m glad to see him continuing to work toward that fight. To top it off, he accepted the results of this season with dignity and grace which I hope speaks to his growth
Best of luck, hope to see you around in the future
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RE: kira lft inv demo s14
Kira has such drive and willingness to improve. He was able to step up to the plate in invite and has the potential to really establish himself if given the opportunity to keep learning and developing his skillset and confidence as an invite demoman. He’s a capable maincaller and has shown that he can compete within playoff caliber teams, especially if he continues growing his experience and consistency
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RE: Delay the July 4th Match
To bump this thread on a relevant note, when can we expect the survey to go out regarding July 4th for that decision to be made?
Many players have already noted their absences across the div so it would be nice from a planning perspective (and plane tickets etc etc) that this be made sooner rather than later.
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RE: Delay the July 4th Match
@Constantly Well, Halloween is typically not observed while historically July 4th has been. Get subs is simple to say when you don’t have to convince players to play on a holiday when most other teams are already scrambling to take those that do, and there are a lot of holes to fill.
Its fair to say where do you draw the line… none of us love the smaller off-seasons, but sometimes it’s necessary as well. As a scheduler I believe you have to account for the times a major holiday lands on a Monday, which only happens once every six or so years anyway. It’s poor luck that there are so many this year as is.
As someone said, the valentines skip was unavoidable because of the combination of the superbowl and valentines falling back to back. You can argue that only Americans miss the 4th, but look at how many Americans miss the superbowl lol.
If it has to stay, so be it, but it’s just a nightmare waiting to happen.
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Delay the July 4th Match
As we know there is currently a scheduled match on the night of July 4th. As this is a relatively major US holiday there seem to be a lot of people who plan to miss or have schedule conflicts both on the weekend of and especially the night of the 4th. I think there is good reason to look at delaying a week. There are otherwise very few subs/ringers to go around to fill the amount missing across the div, which adds strain on the teams even when planning this far ahead.