[Forked] Scorch Shot Ban Discussion
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@JohhnyFromCali
I’m not going to respond to the first part, I have listed many differences in my last post and the ones before.To the second part, I do not think it’s a good thing to reward. It does not bring value to the actual role and mechanics of the class. Aim should be rewarded in more close combat situations that fit the role of the class. Spamming a sniper with scorch/det/flare should not be a role of the class.
To the third part, sniper should not. But, it is important to consider how darwins punishes spam. This is a good thing for the scene. Darwins can prevent something such as crit/minicrit damage from future flares, so it does serve an actual purpose even if a sniper can hit shots while flinching in a high level. This can indeed punish a pyro player for good aim and allow for a sniper player to maintain poor positioning. But I would like to ask, why should the pyro be rewarded for secondary spamming? What health does this bring to the scene outside of promoting a flawed way to play that makes the class seem more impactful while neglecting it’s key roles and functions?
I am again going to bring up the concept of balancing from the bottom to the top. Most invite snipers as you say can hit shots while flinching. The same will not always be able to be said about lower division players. By keeping the darwins in, you’ll see less pyros learn to secondary spam as they go up in the divisions.
The core functions and roles of pyro at any one time fit into these groups:
Protection
Chaos
Space
DenialYou should always be looking to fulfill one of these purposes, and I do not feel like something such as secondary spamming ie vs a sniper to fit in to this dynamic. By giving lower division snipers more options for counterplay where there may be more genuine impact with the presence of darwins, you’ll see more natural progression for pyro players.
Spam with the detonator can still absolutely be good, ie on cascade where it’s better than scorch. But it’s also important to note that with darwins, the situations where detonator or flare spam would be a good play or have impact are much lessened. I can not see this as anything but a good thing. This will promote much more active play on the part of pyro players.Scorch should be banned, detonator should remain primarily as a mobility option with some ability to control enemy movements and spam to an extent. Flare should remain a good option for combo plays and high single target damage, with the potential of some spam on targets with poor movement and positioning. Shotguns should serve as the main tool for denial. This is a very healthy secondary dynamic where each option has a well defined role. This balance does not necessarily remain if darwins is banned.
Sniper is going to be strong regardless of if darwins is in or not, and I think the other secondaries are what we should be looking at before it. I am concluding that the darwins is actually healthy to keep unbanned, as it will help the development of pyro players in the long term.
By removing one issue here with the darwins, you’d be creating/amplifying another. -
You wouldn’t be amplifying a single issue, 95% of pyro mains can’t aim a flare gun or shotgun to save their lives and that’s why they use scorch and det so they can at least do something instead of nothing. Removing Darwin’s is like removing milk, it’s a safety net for a class that doesn’t need one. If pyros are gonna switch to det to spam the sniper full time they are just baiting themselves and their team for the same reason that you said that’s it’s not the pyros main role and they have 1,000 other roles to fulfill.
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@JohhnyFromCali said in [Forked] Scorch Shot Ban Discussion:
You wouldn’t be amplifying a single issue, 95% of pyro mains can’t aim a flare gun or shotgun to save their lives and that’s why they use scorch and det so they can at least do something instead of nothing. Removing Darwin’s is like removing milk, it’s a safety net for a class that doesn’t need one. If pyros are gonna switch to det to spam the sniper full time they are just baiting themselves and their team for the same reason that you said that’s it’s not the pyros main role and they have 1,000 other roles to fulfill.
ahahahahhahahaha comparing darwins to mad milk as if the two are even remotely close in balance
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