You ever play medic on a koth map?
All you do is fucking sit behind rocks.
Product? Sit behind rocks
Cascade? Sit behind rocks
Lakeside? The whole mid point is a rock and guess what, you sit behind it.
The only reason you don’t sit behind a rock on ashville is because there is no rocks. If you replace roof with a rock you’d be sitting behind a rock there too.
Basically the take away is we should go back to old cascade much better than new cascade the rocks you sit behind are WAY nicer.
As I am writing this, Sire is grinding in Kovaaks. While you trade for hats, Sire is grinding in Kovaaks. While some sleep, Sire is grinding in Kovaaks. While others discuss Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media, Sire is grinding Kovaaks. This man is non-stop pushing for the top. Lenny’s time at the top is limited, Sire determines when it ends.
@Wize said in round robin advanced:
How would it feel for the IM champs to basically be put into Main when there are low advance level players at the top if we kept Advance at a limit of 8?
I don’t even know if this is a hot take but the IM champs should struggle in main the next season, if they’re coming into main and doing really well they probably shouldn’t have been in IM.
Does it suck to play against advanced (or invite) players in main? Yeah obviously, but the way you rectify that is with more class restrictions, which I do have to commend the staff team on improving at.
Additionally, the top main team probably should be able to contend with/beat low advanced teams. If you limit advanced to 8 teams and have the teams that lose qualifiers playing in main, the other top teams should realistically be able to compete with them.
The solution to advanced level teams playing in main is probably not to have main level teams playing in advanced.
You just have more teams in Main. Arguably there were quite a few teams in advanced this season that couldn’t compete in the div. Looking at scrims you can see these teams going even with or losing to main teams. If you have better teams playing in main, it becomes a div that people want to play in again rather than something people just want to get out of by any means necessary.
Alternatively, you reintroduce challenger or put a limit on how many main teams there are.
Said this in the previous threads, if you can’t deal with telling teams they’re going to be in main because they’re going to be piss babies about it, you should resign.
What do you do if teams die in invite? What did we used to do when advanced teams died when it was round robin? The possibility of teams dying doesn’t stop invite from being round robin. Additionally, nearly a third of the teams in Advanced this season died, and that causes a whole whack of problems in Swiss as well. Again this has been discussed to death in other threads.
Edit (I think if a team dies in RR you just turn that into a bye week both in the future and retroactively.)
Imo you could do league fees and a prize pool main and up but the format of the division and whether or not there’s a prize pool are two completely separate issues, one doesn’t have anything to do with the other and bringing it up here just distracts from the actual problem.
Only if you don’t do it the weekend before the first match of the season (because that was an incredibly stupid decision).
If Advanced had never been round robin and you were trying to figure things out for the first time, that would be more understandable. However, Advanced has been round robin before, you have a point of reference for what to do. This is obviously anecdotal, but I haven’t heard a single player say they’ve wanted Advanced to not be round robin, but there’s a whole lot of us saying that we do.
@ckrow said in round robin advanced:
“all that’s important to some players is the name of division they are in.”
and now that main has a stigma of being very bad and since ur not letting shit settle back in for a season, ur moving up bad main teams into adv and main continuing to have a terrible rep for being a place u dont wanna be stuck in. but idk thats my thoughts on it
Main used to actually be a serious div. admins need to just suck it up and put some teams in main. and deal with the TLs that are going to whine about it. All that moving teams up to advanced does is make it so that advanced is also seen as a bad div and then the only good div is invite until you do the same thing to invite that you did to main and advanced.
If you put good teams in main, then the div becomes something players want to play in again. I’ve said this discussing the topic with other people but I’d happily play in main if it meant advanced being 8 teams because imo that’s what’s best for the format and if the team I’m on can’t cut it in advanced then I guess we just have to git gud.
shoutout wize for actually acknowledging complaints and trying to figure out the situation and listening to the ppl :DD:DDD
Also yeah this is great ty wize ^^^^
Pros:
Great first name
Incredibly handsome
Very flexible soldier, can adapt to your team needs
Sacs very well
Amazing mental
Cons:
High ping
You need another Canadian on your team to call him and wake him up for scrims without having to pay for long distance.
Pick him up
Honestly if you can’t tell a team they’re gonna be in main and not advanced maybe you shouldn’t be an admin/moderator.
Essentially title, if you were to make the perfect payload map for HL, what points would you take from what maps, and how many points would you use? Any PL map counts, not just those currently in rotation/have been played competitively (but the point is to make a map for competitive HL)
This man should be the main sniper on your team. Now I know you’re asking yourself, hmmmm, why should I? Because he’s nice with it.
@Pain-Seer Note that rounding errors of 0.01 in the 3 point system had implications both for teams making playoffs and with playoff seeding.
@Flare hey I was just appreciating the work you put into your post. I was like damn, this is in fact an essay.
@JohhnyFromCali if I understand your idea correctly, you could lose while getting the same number of rounds as the other team but not more.
2-1
0-2
2-1
Would be 4 rounds for each team.
@Inquisition said in Highlander Match Point System:
@Xenagos I’m not sure where the confusion is here. I am drawing a very clear line, based on the following ideas.
2 - Each round inside a given match should be worth the same amount of match points. This is the natural conclusion that anyone can come to after we decide that we prefer to use match points rather than wins to determine ranking.
In payload, you get points by the fraction of rounds you won.
These 2 points are contradictory. Either each round can be worth the same, or you can get a fraction of the rounds won in payload. Currently a payload round is worth either 3 points or 4.5 points. So should we force teams to play 3 halves on payload even if a team wins the first 2? The same applies to your proposed koth system, is a round worth 1/7 of the points or 1/4th of the points. Should each koth map have to have 7 rounds played even if a team wins the first 4?
This is what I mean by having to balance functionality and fairness. You have to make a compromise somewhere.
@Kastaling To clarify, I’m not trying to say that it’s a good argument or something that we should do, I’m just pointing out that there is going to have to be some kind of compromise between functionality and fairness.
@Inquisition said in Highlander Match Point System:
mpossible to know that simply from forum posts… also, even in this thread someone has agreed with me about it being weird that it’s different for koth and stopwatch.
That’s probably because koth and stop watch are different game modes. What’s the equivalent ratio between a koth round and a payload/steel half. Hell, at that point what’s the ratio between a payload half on swiftwater and a payload half on vigil or upward?
If you look at last season, every swiftwater match in invite/advanced was a 3-0, there was one 2-1 on upward, and five on vigil. If we want to talk about things being equivalent, should picking up a round when you lose on vigil be worth less than if you pick up a round on a loss on swift because statistically it’s harder?
You could get excessively granular with this, but after a certain point you’re going to get diminishing returns, where do we draw the line?
It’s also true that this system is completely baseless and much more convoluted than it would be to just divide by rounds won, especially since we know that we don’t care about wins.
I don’t think you can claim that the current system is somehow more convoluted, when it’s 3 points for a half, or 1 point for a round on a koth loss, vs your proposed system which would need to have points either be out of 210, or come in increments of 1/210th.
@Inquisition said in Highlander Match Point System:
To this day, it still baffles me that anyone in that group could ever think that there is a difference in seeding between two arbitrary teams with identical match points (there isn’t).
Sorry, I’m just trying to make sure I understand what you’re saying here. Are you saying there’s no way to determine which team should be seeded higher between two teams if they both have the same match points?
@TheS4rr said in Delay the July 4th Match:
Agreed! If the match on Valentine’s day (a somewhat minor holiday) gets a week delay, July Fourth (the most significant holiday of the Summer) should certainly get one as well.
It’s worth noting that this is only true for a singular country in NA.
Please pick Rikuus up. I have not played with him on scout, but I loved playing with him last season on heavy. Great comms, really open to feedback and discussing ways to improve as a team. He also works really well with the rest of the combo (from my perspective especially pyro), and is super dependable.
Will noticeably improve your team.
