I’m taking this as a declaration of aggression.

Hit submit too soon, sorry.

“haver thicker skin” is an excuse bigots use to keep saying hurtful shit. It also in this context means “stop letting hurtful things hurt you” which no. I’m not gonna be quiet about hurtful things because again, people are saying those things to be hurtful.

I think policing private discords would be a fucking incredibly difficult task from the RGL side of things, but I also think it’s silly to say that people using bigoted language is good, fine, and not a reflection how they see others.

@norfnorf said in Competitive TF2, Harassment, and Volunteering:

I honestly pity those who are unintelligent enough to not mute someone being rude to them and instead cry to the admins and make their lives more complicated.

For RGL pugs and the RGL discord I genuinely want people to “make my life more complicated” with reports. I obviously can’t speak for other departments but part of combating this sort of thing is knowing what’s going on, and evidence of behaviour. Reports exist for a reason, and the ability to act on them is important for various reasons, including fighting the kind harassment listed in the OP.

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@Kastaling said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@darzie People used to say hurtful shit to my face all the time in real life and guess what I did? I got thicker skin. It requires much, much thinner skin to be able to handle someone saying something in a private discord that hardly affects you than to handle it getting said to your face.

Stop letting other people have power over you and your life will be much better.

I typed up a long fucking reply to this and then I realized it’s pretty off topic because fundamentally I don’t think policing private discords will be functional in a way that will help the league (which you seem to agree with to some extent).

Everything I said on slurs being hurtful has already been said previously, so I think we agree to disagree on what is an appropriate reaction to slurs in one’s own personal life.

Hit submit too soon, sorry.

“haver thicker skin” is an excuse bigots use to keep saying hurtful shit. It also in this context means “stop letting hurtful things hurt you” which no. I’m not gonna be quiet about hurtful things because again, people are saying those things to be hurtful.

I think policing private discords would be a fucking incredibly difficult task from the RGL side of things, but I also think it’s silly to say that people using bigoted language is good, fine, and not a reflection how they see others.

@wish said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@darzie said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

Are you telling people who are tired of slurs to git gud so they have enough pull on teams?

Yes. You can be an extremely, openly toxic person and still find a team provided that you’re good enough. The inverse works too.

I feel like we can agree this is a bug and not a feature. Good players should not be able to be toxic just because they’re good, and bad players should not need to be good to be treated with respect.

Telling people they need to be good enough to force teams to accept them for not using slurs is just saying slurs are acceptable to use at low skill players.

@wish said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@darzie said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

You did not read my full post. If people are that invested in having you on their team that will probably work. However half the time people will tell they don’t actually care about having you in their team/pug group/whatever niche tf2 thing and continue doing whatever it is.

Sometimes asking will work. Sometimes it will not. Pretending asking will always work is a falsehood and doesn’t reflect the reality of what’s going on.

If you’re the best player available for a team, they will stop. I know this for a fact. Most people would rather win than say slurs.

Are you telling people who are tired of slurs to git gud so they have enough pull on teams?

@wish said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@darzie said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

This problem isn’t as simple as “just ask people to stop” because they genuinely won’t.

It’s quite easy, you literally give them an ultimatum: “I won’t play on your team if you keep on using slurs”. Most people who use slurs in TF2 aren’t actual racists, they’re just being edgy, so they will stop 100%.

You did not read my full post. If people are that invested in having you on their team that will probably work. However half the time people will tell they don’t actually care about having you in their team/pug group/whatever niche tf2 thing and continue doing whatever it is.

Sometimes asking will work. Sometimes it will not. Pretending asking will always work is a falsehood and doesn’t reflect the reality of what’s going on.

@shia-wno said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@/Ampy i guarantee most of the black people in this community arent personally offended by people saying the funny word. And I guarantee if any of them asked the people saying it to stop because they are personally offended by the word, they would stop.

People who care that their speech is hurting others will stop. Or people who are close to the person asking will stop.

Lots of people will continue using slurs, and if you disclose a specific slur hurts they will go out of their way to use it at you, until you decide to block them because they’re slur hurling bastards.

This problem isn’t as simple as “just ask people to stop” because they genuinely won’t.

@rairai said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

Acknowledging that someone is bigoted but being unwilling to take a stance since it didn’t occur in RGL-regulated services is a form of complicity.

firstly: opinions expressed here are those of darzie, unrelated to a view RGL dot gg

I don’t think RGL policing private discords and other private services in cases of toxicity is necessarily realistic. RGL has it’s own spaces it moderates, but other spaces would rely on reports from others, and without access to those spaces RGL can’t verify what’s going in those discords either.

What’s happening in private platforms can be not great but also where are the resources going to come from verifying the integrity of reports submitted about third party services.

Some places like twitch do have their own standards, and you can report people to twitch for breaking those standards (similar to how you can report scammers to discord) and I think part of is how platforms handle those people, it’s not just RGL’s job to curb the toxicity that exists in the community.

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