@Grynn said in Bring back 5cp to hl:
I think the problems you and Exa listed aren’t necessarily problems with the map/game mode, but issues with the class. Half of what you said for engie gameplay on those maps were just sitting on sniper and wrangling, which is what engineer does on every other map anyways. But just because that’s what the “”meta”” is, doesn’t mean there’s more room for variability. On product you have little room for variability. That’s not the case when it comes to 5cp maps, and what I mean by a “breath of fresh air” is that there’s room for trying out more wacky strategies that will actually breed success rather than being forced to play the meta either because of social pressure or because there’s literally no other way to play the map (product concrete wrangler).
I don’t agree with this. What I listed out on all those maps were not the meta strategies, but the only strategies you could really do. Yeah, you could try funny level 3 strats, but its just the same as minis but with less metal. Yeah you could do Tele strats, but hiding the same teleporter on gullywash 2nd only works so many times, and that is ignoring the fact that doing so prevents your team from having teles at all (assuming they would even be able to use them in the first place).
You are extremely limited in what you can do as an engineer on any 5cp map since you are too slow and squishy, you are 100% reliant on the rest of your team to do anything. Any attempt to get behind will get you caught out and killed most of the time, and even if you get lucky and get a trade, it is not worth it 90% of the time since the respawn timers are not significantly different for either team. And because you are slow, even if you have faster spawns, you will still most likely get back to the front lines after the person you traded with.
Meanwhile I can name a bunch of things you could do differently on product. When I played, I mostly played around the combo and not the flank. Wrangling from pocket and denying that whole space so our demo can watch forward without getting rushed. You could also be a dumbass and just walk forward with the panic attack like J-man. At least on koth, any trades you make while you don’t have the point is a good trade.
Yeah, those issues are inherent because of engineer and not the gamemode, but 5cp locks you into those roles in a way that neither koth nor payload will.
My only successful attempt to try something “Wacky & Fun” was running perma level 2s and fj, annoying yipyapper who said it was a terrible idea.