@b4nny

@b4nny said in Announcing the RGL No Restriction 6s Summer One Day Cup:

@Micahlele said in Announcing the RGL No Restriction 6s Summer One Day Cup:

@b4nny are you actually gonna play your matches this time

Of course, I always try to get my matches played. Unfortunately during NR6s S2 our opponent (head 6s admin at the time, daffodil) refused to schedule the matches despite my repeated attempts, and the NR6s admin (you) made 0 effort to communicate or coordinate with me, so the games never ended up happening. I’ve already explained this multiple times to you in the RGL discord, yet here you are yet again for some reason still trying to stir up drama in public. Do you even actually care about the success of the NR6s format? If so, then don’t worry about whether I play my matches, just worry about your own participation in the event.

Thankfully, the organizers responsible for this new upcoming NR6s event have learned from the missteps of NR6s S2 and it’s looking to be very positive event. I’m sure it won’t be perfect either, but they’re on the right track so far given that they’ve improved the format (better maps and a 1 day format) and their communication (multiple announcements, and keeping me - one of the most vocal NR6s supporters - in the loop) which should greatly benefit the event’s chances of success. One of the main points of NR6s is to leave your biases and theories behind so that innovative and fresh tactics can prevail, let’s all focus on doing that. :innocent:

Understood. Next time I will also rent a server for you and exec the proper config and send connect your both teams individually. Fuck it. I’ll come to ur house, turn ur PC, launch tf2, and copy paste the connect in console myself too. I’ll do you one better. I’ll even play ur match for you. Don’t even lift a finger b4nny, the admins will do everything for you.

Admins aren’t ur babysitters and they certainly shouldn’t have to ask you to do the one thing you signed up to fucking do. I dropped it in the staff discord because I still had to have some sort of semi-professionalism with you. Now that’s changed. I told daffodil to work it out. He was an NR6s admin. I also had the rest of the NR6s divisions to run with only a few other admins. Being a staff member is already hard enough, it’s ridiculous that you can’t even have the decency to do the one thing you signed up to do during the season.

No, I don’t care anymore about the results of NR6s. You are one of the reasons why. You jerk the format off yet refused to actually play it. I wouldn’t give a shit if you didn’t play because you thought the gamemode was dogshit. “one of the most vocal NR6s supporters” my left nut. Back up your words with fucking actions like actually playing your damn matches and then talk. “b-bu-but I played s1!” yea when there was money being pumped into it and it was something new and exciting that rgl marketed as a tf2 saver cause the results were being sent to valve. Where’d you go when the money wasn’t so big and the dude running it was only given the position because RGL forgot they had nobody to run the format a month before it needed to open.

Season 2 showed me that NR6s is a fundamentally flawed gamemode for league practice because it is more fun to troll and run stupid team compositions for lower divisions, and the higher divs couldn’t be assed to play or even play seriously because they are invested in other more structured and serious gamemodes. Even as just a cup teams would rather just form between friends and have a good time by dicking around.

I already gave the organizers all of my data from the s2 survey (thankfully I had so much data from my invite players to share!) and told them exactly what I’m telling you. NR6s is a failure, and it doesn’t matter how much you push the “innovate with new and fresh tactics!” nobody is going to fucking do it and your cup isn’t going to yield shit.

And cut the chevalier “holier than thou” attitude too. 95% of the rgl staff already hate your guts for how you act and the remaining 5% are just your yes men to anything you say.

Inquisition try to not rework a system that has been working for years challenge (impossible)

I remember when you tried to rework the fucking swiss system. Yknow, the swiss system that the entire fucking world uses.

@Mothership experienced players know that the faceit number is not a proper indicator of skill just like most people know hours are also not a proper indicator of skill. Most solo queue-oriented matchmaking ranks are an extremely poor indicator of skill.

However, many people (especially in lower divisions) are not experienced and will use faceit numbers as an indicator.

Moving them away from the usernames is a good start, if the goal is to have it visible at all on rgl, but as long as it’s there, it is a problem.

@Mothership because the current hl staff has 2 humans on it and one of them has the willmatic rope around his neck forcing advanced to be swiss

everyone else left because willmatic has done the most frogshit job of running highlander and they have to take the heat.

Every day I just see horror stories about what’s happening to highlander. I used to clown on the 6s staff a lot and praise the HL staff for how well we worked and how bogus the 6s staff was. Now it’s the complete opposite. The 6s staff work like a well-oiled machine and 6s is thriving.

RGL Highlander will be dead before 2023 if this keeps up.

Maven (Ryuk) carried the video team, and if anyone currently on the video team (that isn’t DolphiN, who single-handedly carries pretty much all of production, love you bro) put even a quarter of the effort they put in, there would be more than just the vod uploads in the past 4 months on the youtube channel.

Demo reviews with invite players run by Maven was a really good addition for current comp players. The funny pugs also were great for viewers and the casual audience. Even “1 hour of nothing randomly interrupted by the spy decloak sound” got more views than pretty much anything else aside from 6s grands. It even beat out HL grands in terms of viewcounts.

RGL Dispatch was pretty mid as far as content goes, but it also just went radio silent for 9 months, so that one is just dead.

QueeQuey said in another thread:

I agree with working with other content creators, and I’ve tried/have. It’s just that either projects fall through or the individual players don’t want to work with us yet, mostly citing lack of competitive knowledge to me (or reservations about our current modes). I actually have a google doc of a list of YouTubers that I wanted to work with and reached out to, but all of them said no except for After Breakfast which did voiceover for a promotional NR6s video that never came out, and Octo for a bot tournament that didn’t happen after the main contact left the video team. I do think outreach is something we need to do, but we can’t expect the YouTubers to meet us on our terms, we have to try to give them what they want from us. Like I don’t think someone like Big Joey is going to have a great time if we stick him into a normal 6s or Highlander match, there has to be a content/fun reason to join up.

A cup that I wanted to run was a “Clan Wars” cup, where we’d get different YouTubers in a tournament and their subscribers would play 12v12 matches against each other to see who has the strongest subscriber base (honestly a lot of these guys have big enough discords that they could just have their mods fight each other). We can do variations on that like offering a specific division of just YouTuber teams that play against each other week to week. But from the talks I’ve had we’re going to need to start being progressive again if we want to grab the YouTuber audience.

I personally don’t see why we need casual content creators. Just make the content ourselves. Maven did it really well, integrating competitive players and formats with casual rulesets or maps, and those were done really well. Casual content creators won’t make videos on competitive because it isn’t their market. The current biggest competitive content creators only play 6s for their main competitive format (which, has been booming afaik)

@thud said in Hey can we not let the league die slowly?:

youtube would be huge for rgl marketing. random tf2 videos are what got me to play tf2, and actually are what got me to play rgl. the rgl echo chamber needs to break! (for my sanity)

Echo chamber? rgl didn’t stop making youtube videos because they decided it wasn’t worth the effort. rgl stopped because they lost the person who actually made them

@BBL said in Hey can we not let the league die slowly?:

New players have 0 clue on how to enter the scene, everyone I know who has tried to get into comp was extremely intimidated by the 15 different hurdles they need to go through to actually start to even LOOK for a team. That’s fucking embarrassing.

RGL has/had a guide department, and they did release a good video on how to record POV demos. It has around 18k views, so it wasn’t a waste of effort either. People just sign up to do stuff inside RGL, they get the position, and then they don’t actually do anything. A big problem RGL had for a while is that they never pushed deadlines or pushed consequences on departments like gfx, guides, video, etc. “It’s all a volunteer effort! Why should we put pressure?” because then nothing gets done, and RGL has a shell of a department and doesn’t hire because they have people but the people don’t do anything. There are plenty of departments inside of RGL that do really well, but the ones that do poorly do absolutely nothing.

Don’t know what DCMC is doing entirely but want to explore options
Kinda wanna play spy in invite again (mid-high invite only)
Wouldn’t mind playing scout, med, sniper, pyro, or engie in invite.
Prefer to not play challenger, but I’ll try anything that’s not spy or engie.

Achievement list:
Lost a match and a playoffs spot to the impostors
Went 7-0 regular season just to go 0-2 in playoffs
5x best engie in challenger according to bonesaw’s tftv article
The Watcher

Open to subbing in invite, can play any class

“I fucking despise how smart you are” - catalyst

blame the knife and not the ping
this stuff is consistent with big earner and it is why I call the big earner the “trickstab training wheels” knife
there is no “get better movement” like

@snaetos said in POV: a 120 ping spy has just backstabbed your teammate:

Its easy to throw off high ping spies with your movement, unfortunately your movement sucks and zoom knows how to circlestrafe. (:

snaetos wants to suggest to back up his steel spy brethren.

The big earner speed makes it so the spy has complete control over the situation and there is almost nothing u can do if he gets in range. Speed boost makes spy move fast enough to get into a backstab range regardless of whichever direction you turn to try and counter. It’s dogshit and is extremely unfun to play against unless you are a scout or a pyro with enough ammo to airblast.

you can see another example of this in the recent highlander cascade cast here

there’s another clip on the rgl channel from OWL vs PYP week 1 of S6 but I’m too lazy to dig through the rgl clips to find it but the same happens there.
found the clip here

It took 3 individual threads and mothership’s direct interference to get staff members to respond to the community. Yes, your DMs are open, but the forums are a place for the entire community to voice their concerns and complaints about decisions as well as give staff the chance to respond to them. As a staff member you are responsible for checking the forums and responding to posts.

You’re allowed to have a life, you’re allowed to go to school and have a job, but you’re bullshitting yourself if you don’t have time to respond to posts that started months ago.

cayorne’s “advanced is a joke” had no staff input at all, and multiple (former) staff members had not even seen the survey results regarding this subject despite the survey being closed for a good length of time. Their first glance at the survey results came from a leaker. This thread was created on September 18th.

BBL’s S10 Analysis: Why Swiss shouldn’t be used next season had vibe giving his thoughts but no other staff input. This thread was created on November 7th.

Now finally we have this thread, where we finally have staff input. Special thanks to @Mothership for taking the bull by the horns and going to staff directly to get a response going.

@Wize You’ve done a fantastic job addressing the comments in this thread, and going from radio silence from most of the HL team to a well-made post addressing most comments in the thread is a great way forward. Keep this up.

More to the topic of the thread, I still firmly believe that RR chal and RR adv is totally fine. If the general skill level increases to the point that invite players are put into lower divisions because they can’t fit into invite, then lower divved teams have to suck it up that the skill ranges of divisions are shifting.

If ginyu, knd, dk, mts, ad, pyp, irene, >> (the names do not matter, but we assume they are all invite level) all came back, what happens? The skill shifts downwards, as a large amount of teams and players was just added to the top end of competition. Obviously, 8 teams aren’t going to drop from the sky, but it applies over time when more and more teams become able to compete at higher levels/older players return as fewer top level players leave the scene.

@b4nny are you actually gonna play your matches this time

12 seconds left
dropping back
in the pocket
rookie
there’s the hail mary, headed for the endzone!
and it is… TOUCHDOWN!! TOUCHDOWN!!!
I DON’T BELIEVE IT!

patches is awesome

mini me :)

19 in french

little bug on engie (this is a good thing)

i love mountain please let him snipe in invite

Maven (Ryuk) carried the video team, and if anyone currently on the video team (that isn’t DolphiN, who single-handedly carries pretty much all of production, love you bro) put even a quarter of the effort they put in, there would be more than just the vod uploads in the past 4 months on the youtube channel.

Demo reviews with invite players run by Maven was a really good addition for current comp players. The funny pugs also were great for viewers and the casual audience. Even “1 hour of nothing randomly interrupted by the spy decloak sound” got more views than pretty much anything else aside from 6s grands. It even beat out HL grands in terms of viewcounts.

RGL Dispatch was pretty mid as far as content goes, but it also just went radio silent for 9 months, so that one is just dead.

QueeQuey said in another thread:

I agree with working with other content creators, and I’ve tried/have. It’s just that either projects fall through or the individual players don’t want to work with us yet, mostly citing lack of competitive knowledge to me (or reservations about our current modes). I actually have a google doc of a list of YouTubers that I wanted to work with and reached out to, but all of them said no except for After Breakfast which did voiceover for a promotional NR6s video that never came out, and Octo for a bot tournament that didn’t happen after the main contact left the video team. I do think outreach is something we need to do, but we can’t expect the YouTubers to meet us on our terms, we have to try to give them what they want from us. Like I don’t think someone like Big Joey is going to have a great time if we stick him into a normal 6s or Highlander match, there has to be a content/fun reason to join up.

A cup that I wanted to run was a “Clan Wars” cup, where we’d get different YouTubers in a tournament and their subscribers would play 12v12 matches against each other to see who has the strongest subscriber base (honestly a lot of these guys have big enough discords that they could just have their mods fight each other). We can do variations on that like offering a specific division of just YouTuber teams that play against each other week to week. But from the talks I’ve had we’re going to need to start being progressive again if we want to grab the YouTuber audience.

I personally don’t see why we need casual content creators. Just make the content ourselves. Maven did it really well, integrating competitive players and formats with casual rulesets or maps, and those were done really well. Casual content creators won’t make videos on competitive because it isn’t their market. The current biggest competitive content creators only play 6s for their main competitive format (which, has been booming afaik)

@thud said in Hey can we not let the league die slowly?:

youtube would be huge for rgl marketing. random tf2 videos are what got me to play tf2, and actually are what got me to play rgl. the rgl echo chamber needs to break! (for my sanity)

Echo chamber? rgl didn’t stop making youtube videos because they decided it wasn’t worth the effort. rgl stopped because they lost the person who actually made them

@BBL said in Hey can we not let the league die slowly?:

New players have 0 clue on how to enter the scene, everyone I know who has tried to get into comp was extremely intimidated by the 15 different hurdles they need to go through to actually start to even LOOK for a team. That’s fucking embarrassing.

RGL has/had a guide department, and they did release a good video on how to record POV demos. It has around 18k views, so it wasn’t a waste of effort either. People just sign up to do stuff inside RGL, they get the position, and then they don’t actually do anything. A big problem RGL had for a while is that they never pushed deadlines or pushed consequences on departments like gfx, guides, video, etc. “It’s all a volunteer effort! Why should we put pressure?” because then nothing gets done, and RGL has a shell of a department and doesn’t hire because they have people but the people don’t do anything. There are plenty of departments inside of RGL that do really well, but the ones that do poorly do absolutely nothing.

@Inquisition said in Highlander Match Point System:

Cascade

Final remarks about polls

I find it funny that you mention the issue between Cascade and Lakeside before rotation was introduced. If you didn’t already know this, the reason that rotation was introduced was because I (me, Inquisition, not someone else) identified the problem with preexisting map polls, then wrote a poll (yes, I wrote it. I’ll give some credit also to exa who modified it before it was published). The results of the poll showed exactly what I said they would show, that rotation is highly favored to anything else. Because I wrote it, there was no room for confusion, and because I was on the admin team, it was very easy for me to get the poll through.

Here I am, again, explaining an issue that should be polled. The only problem for me now is that I am no longer an admin, so I have to post on threads to convince you to run polls. I also am unsure what the results of the poll will be, which is why I have been saying this whole time that if majority votes against me I will accept my loss.

Fun Fact, did you know that if RGL listened to every result and followed every poll they’d have ever put out, product would of been rotated out again like it was in season 5 and we wouldnt of needed your poll for cascade and lakeside. Newsflash. Polls don’t run rgl and they never will. Since you seemed to love polls so much, you’d think you would listen to rgl’s past polls, cause that’s the answer to all of our problems!

You talk about all this shit you did that was glorious in your eyes but was struck down by the other rgl admins. Even if you were right about anything you said (which you aren’t just to be clear, you aren’t and you never will be). Nobody would listen to you because of your arrogance, ignorance, and general absolute negligence for anyone else’s opinions or respect for their thoughts.

You talk about all the work you did or tried to do as an admin, but did you care to share why you were removed? How what you said to me that left me so appalled I tried to kick you off staff at the end of season 7. How you called everyone else on staff morons because they didn’t agree with your ranking systems. How the rest of the staff despised how you acted in discussions. How the only reason you even stayed on staff was because exa bailed you out and gave you a second chance. Just for you to blow it by telling some random bloke in the rgl discord he was a waste of oxygen within a season.

Even if you were right about any of this, nobody will listen to you and nobody will ever listen to you because of how you act.

@Inquisition you wanted all of RGL to use your system for match-making that you proved was different from swiss and was better than swiss. Then Aad came in and mathematically proved you wrong and you finally dropped it. It doesn’t matter that this happened years ago when you haven’t changed at all since then.

inq’s system sounds better in theory until you realize that dozens of teams with much better W/Ls lose playoffs/seeding to teams with much worse W/Ls because of MP, everyone will cry that MP sucks and we’ll revert the change

Inquisition try to not rework a system that has been working for years challenge (impossible)

I remember when you tried to rework the fucking swiss system. Yknow, the swiss system that the entire fucking world uses.

he spawned as demo so I didn’t heal my actual demo when I rang med once

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