What are you favorite memories you’ve made during your time playing competitive TF2? I will start.

• Playing Highlander on Ultiduo maps in lobbies. Shit was hilarious and absolutely chaotic.

• Winning my first RGL match.

• Post-season player awards with my Prolander team TAX FRAUD. Basically I decided to give everyone a special award for sticking around that season.

• Winning my first Highlander match on Swiftwater. Felt amazing afterwards.

• Davidredface pug, which happened last night.

• Playing TF2Center with Jimbob the first time.

Hi

Looking to main for an amateur team next season as my schedule will be opened up.

Notable Seasons of Experience:
Prolander:
S8 amateur TAX FRAUD Main Demo - 3rd Place!
Highlander:
S7 amateur Good Manners (3-4): Multi-class sub
S8 amateur Team with People in it (3-4): Multi-class sub

The right side should have a medium health pack and ammo.

The middle side should have a small health pack and ammo

The left side is fine.

The reason I think these should be switched is so that the left side is an equal hold to right side. So one side isn’t completely irrelevant to hold on. After all, who wants to hold on a side with less resources?

2020 Favorites in Order:
Jeff Rosenstock - NO DREAM
Mac Miller - Circles
Charli XCX - how i’m feeling now
Run The Jewels - RTJ4
Pink Siifu - NEGRO
Pop Smoke - Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon

Who are your favorite teammates?

I only have like two real seasons of competitive that I didn’t roster ride on so far.

TAX FRAUD: My Scuffed As Fuck Prolander Team
RubberDubber333: One of my first pickups that stayed through the entire season.
Flint: Good friend, and also just a good teammate overall that also stayed through the entire season of TAX FRAUD.
HopelessSituation: Chill medic, that somehow enjoyed playing Prolander seriously.
Larry: We were missing a Pyro, and he came in clutch and decided he wanted to play as a main for my team. Saved my team team. Also a great hype man.
83: Best player on my team. Beast Sniper. Pick this man up when he goes LFT again.
3 Rats on a Keyboard: The most dedicated player on my Prolander team. Attended every map review, scrim, and match whenever he possibly could. Great guy.
ckrow: Great at the game, and a good sub.
Blizz/Varig: I forgot to tell him to roster on the team, but I still love him.

Good Manners: Current Highlander Team
Acadium: Awesome Soldier, fun to talk to and play with.
Ridge: My current Highlander leader, he’s a nice guy.

2nd and 3rd is really hard to push. Maybe add an additional point.

@rairai said in Music:

protomartyr
fontaines DC
idles
conway the machine
deftones
haken
denzel curry

i love protomartyr’s - the agent intellect and under color of official right, idles’ - joy as an act of resistance, and denzel curry’s taboo.

also freddie gibbs is one of my favorite artists. i forgot to mention him in my last post. bandana and pinata are god tier

I hate the Fists of Steel ban in Prolander. I wish I knew why it was banned.

@kho said in Music:

listened to Car Seat Headrest’s old albums especially when it was still just a solo project by Will Toledo.

How to Leave Town is based.

@Alto said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

@Jackawa said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:
the lack of consistent standards for what defines a good map has plagued this community for years

In My Opinion For An Ideal Payload:

• No throwaway points. Each point can defended to some degree.
• No single point is dominated by one class.
• Average Time is around 7-8 minutes long. The average time on Upward is 7:57, and Vigil’s is 7:01 from sand’s spreadsheet.

@Alto said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

@firepow said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

@Alto MegaPieManHD is the creator of Synthetic and is currently on working on Midwest. Both Berryville and Midwest are textured. So the idea of having testing actual experimental maps is still not out of the question.

I didn’t realize pieman did midwest (hadn’t heard of it before this thread, definitely gonna check it out), but for you to even conceive of berryville being played in HL requires a lobotomy as the bare minimum. like, it’s beyond square peg-round hole to even consider that map. I played it in a 5am 4s pug which is normally my favorite time to play tf2 and I couldn’t even enjoy myself without constantly getting visions of the apocalypse that would occur if there 18 players on it.

Unless the map is as open as cp_orange or as choke-heavy as dustbowl. It should be tested for competitive. I had fun playing on it in Prolander pugs. If you would like to leave feedback on it here’s the thread: https://forums.rgl.gg/topic/496/koth_berryville/4?_=1620170298732

@Flare said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

And as regards both points above: can anyone here even formulate what exactly makes a good map? Why is fucking Product still held up as the gold standard, the KOTH map singlehandedly responsible for the entire Highlander community’s Stockholm syndrome towards their Demos and Snipers, for everyone somehow thinking it’s normal for 7/9 classes to simply not play the game and for KOTH to be braindead W-fests? There’s basically not a single argument here backed by any understanding of game design, everyone just yaps on about how “idk we’ve just always done it like this” and “oh no I don’t want to spend more than 10 minutes pushing :(”.

Product is not the gold standard map for the majority of the playerbase. It got moved out of rotation in Season 5. Unless you are a Sniper main (Sniper dominant map), lower-level player (Snipers aren’t as effective in lower-divisions compared to Invite/Challenger), or a TF2Center goblin (only knows how to play one map), the rest of the playerbase dislikes the map.

Every map gets slack some players and there’s no one map that everyone likes. Stop pretending there is one. If you want a discussion about good map design don’t be such a self-righteous asshole.

@Flare said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

You want a good new map? Getting it won’t be fun. You want fun? You won’t get good new maps.

You aren’t helping this thread. You are only giving criticism without giving any solutions. Also quit the namecalling. Your bitter and destructive attitude is not going to push out innovation.

Offer solutions, or get the fuck out of my thread.

@Flare said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

tl;dr everyone is a brainlet and doesn’t know what they’re saying

I don’t think being calling people in this thread dumb is a good idea to get them to see your perspective.

If you want new maps to potentially be added, look to techie with cp_rapids, pieman with synthetic, and defcon with cascade because they’re all skilled mapmakers who are extremely receptive to feedback. But at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if techie was just done with the HL community after invite players refused to test rapids because it didn’t have fucking decals on it. I know I would be.

@Alto MegaPieManHD is the creator of Synthetic and is currently on working on Midwest. Both Berryville and Midwest are textured. So the idea of having testing actual experimental maps is still not out of the question.

@scaredy-bat said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

I don’t agree that revisiting old maps is a good use of an experimental map cup, regardless if newer players haven’t played it*, and I think committing to testing actual new maps is better for HL as a whole – especially when the non-Cascade maps are just there filling space and not actually likely candidates. At least if the “not actually likely candidate” maps were new maps, something of value for the future of comp would be gained (large amounts of comp playtesting feedback).

This. Wasting 2 map slots to play-test the same mediocre maps that haven’t been updated in years over and over again won’t bring fresh life in the competitive scene. Especially for older players. Personally, it’s would be a lot more exciting to see maps that are being updated frequently such as pl_midwest get some more feedback in a Highlander setting. The only time I’ve seen midwest get played competitively is in RGL Prolander Pugs.

Payload maps that are actually played because my last one was cringe.

• Upward 1st

• Vigil 2nd

• Upward 3rd

• Vigil last

Fuck Swiftwater

I hate the Fists of Steel ban in Prolander. I wish I knew why it was banned.

@dlphn said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

to me, it seems clear that rgl’s current goal is to find a larger selection of acceptable maps than just the standard 7 that get played every season

I see your point, but I do have a problem with it. Personally, the goal of the map cup will not be clear until someone such as exa_ or WiLLmaTiC confirms what the purpose of the experimental map cup is. It will still feel like wasted potential for new maps.

@dlphn said in The RGL Expiremental Map Cup is Being Wasted.:

and regardless, the many rgl zoomers (such as myself) in the game have never had the chance to play a season of hl on any maps outside of the main 8, making it an all-new experience for them anyway…

This is the point I agree with the most. Good post.

Hello RGL Community,

Today I would like to talk about the potential that is being wasted on the upcoming RGL Experimental Map Cup. I feel currently that the maps being played aren’t fit for an “experimental” Map Cup. Borneo has been played in RGL season 1 and season 2. Ramjam has been played in UGC season 24 iirc. I think Cascade is the only one that deserves to stay as it has had a major update that has changed it. Borneo has never been updated since it was released as an official map, and Ramjam’s developer is stubborn to update it for competitive.

The first map cup featured 1 map that has never been played in a Highlander setting as far as I know, and that map is Synthetic. Synthetic has been featured in every RGL experimental map cup since the first one except for this upcoming cup.

I’m not going to talk about every map that was featured in RGL experimental map cups, but If you would like to see the previous RGL map pool, here it is: https://rgl.gg/Public/Articles/ArticlesList.aspx

I have been playing RGL Experimental Map Pugs for a while now, and I think they were much better suited for a cup like this. They have never been played before in a map cup, and I’m baffled at the decision to feature maps that have been already played in a season of competitive Highlander with no major updates (except for Cascade.)

pl_midwest is a great example of a map that should be in the cup, because it is being updated pretty much every week, and it hasn’t been in a experimental map cup. koth_berryville as well would be a good addition to the map cup instead of Borneo or Ramjam for the same reasons as pl_midwest - It’s being updated and hasn’t been played already. I could go on and name more maps that should be in the map cup, but you can already look at the RGL Discord in the pug information channel for more maps that could’ve been played in the cup.

Point being, there shouldn’t be maps in an a experimental map cup have already been played in seasons of Highlander and don’t feature any major updates.