@Rene said in Harassment in the RGL Community:

@rona, I’ll admit I’ve been a piece of shit, and it’s a shame that you’re going out this way, but you could legit play 6’s. It’s way more fun, but it looks like you’re deadset on leaving. I wasn’t involved in all the IRL stuff that people gathered about you. I actually didn’t even know that was going on, but people fed me certain things, and I was a fool for believing some of it. Highlander went to shit a long time ago, and it’ll only get worse due to the moderating. Everything needs to get reformed to save this dying format.

You’re literally part of the problem. You’ve been harassing my team leader through any means possible. Whether through harassing her on an alt account, harassing her in twitch chat when we were being casted, and even joining our scrims just to harass her in chat. If you could stop “trolling” people, that would be a good first step.

@Rene said in Harassment in the RGL Community:

@Constantly that was jeffdimento though

You mean the alt account you made to harass her, screen shared the whole thing while laughing with your friends about it, and then proceeded to bring up every time you see her? You are part of the problem. Don’t act like you aren’t. Just leave her alone.

It’s that very “meme” you were trying to do “for fun” that’ll push more players out of Highlander. If you actually believe that people need to reform, then start with yourself, and help us keep players from being pushed out. This will be the last time I’ll comment on the subject though.

I wanted to bring it up because a fair amount of times, players in this community will look at a thread like this and treat it like someone else’s problem. Self-awareness is key to mitigate the issue of harassment and pushing players out. People who do this “because it’s funny”, “it’s just a meme”, “I’m just joking”, or the infamous “not my fault they don’t have thicker skin” have actually zero awareness on how it affects the person in question.

Hey, this was a private project I’ve been updating since the start of the season, but never really shared it publicly. Since the regular season has ended, I thought now would be a good time to post it for people that like looking at numbers and boosting their egos. I will not be adding the stats from playoffs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HInkl-L4sJF294WByFsxMAokSke2XGUqa55OBSLJC3U/edit#gid=1639769440

Most of the numbers were entered at like 3am, so let me know about any inaccuracies in the thread or on discord: Constantly#9508

@Micahlele Based Micahlele

YES. Allowing team leaders–or even regular players–to just be able to switch teams on the same page would be a great quality of life improvement. I am also someone who is a leader on 3/4 of the teams I’m playing on.

Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to all who celebrate

I hope everyone is having a great 25th!

ggs help!
That match was so sweaty and close and it was absolutely the most fun I’ve had in a long time.
Thank you for such a close match!

This season stressed me out so I’m looking to take it easy and maybe take a break.

4+ seasons of advanced engineer
Will play anything as long as I have fun with it

Discord: Constantly#9508

I have a Challenger team I’m interested in, but I’m hoping to expand my options and see who else might need an engi

I’ve been playing Advanced/Challenger for many seasons now, and I would love to finally break into Invite if possible!

Discord: Constantly#9508

Putting aside the general abuse and how circlejerky the like and dislike feature can be, the raw advantage of having a ‘dislike’ option is to display a more accurate representation of opinions surrounding a particular idea being presented. So when, in a discussion, an idea is presented which is controversial, instead of just showing the number of people who agree with that statement(which would overwhelmingly come across as what a community thinks) it’ll show a split of opinions. A good recent example is Micahlele’s recent post on nr6s which shows 19 likes. That’s a lot of people agreeing with what he’s saying. If you show the 19 likes, but not any dislikes–it comes across as though the community unanimously agrees with it–even if there is a discussion on it 20 or 30 posts down the line. The likes/dislikes give a good idea of what people think about a specific post at a glance. Micahlele’s post may have 19 likes, but if dislikes are shown then maybe there could be 10 dislikes. 19-10 is a lot more divided than a presumed 19-0

That’s just my take on the potential advantages at least. From a productive perspective, I don’t see the point of only having a like button but not a dislike button. I only see it as something to give people ego boosts or to try and force positivity

Alternatively you could, like, just not have likes or dislikes

RGL generally does not provide servers for scrims, they used to have servers to distribute to Newcomer/Amateur teams for matches, but I don’t think they’re still offering them though.

Teams usually rent servers from services such as serveme.tf or Qixalite for free. Some teams like to have a home server that they buy from nfoservers or swiftnode. It means you have a guaranteed server for scrims and matches, but that option has a monthly cost.

Regardless of which you decide to do, it’s highly recommended to use a server located in the central region such as Chicago or Dallas for play. If you’re struggling to find a server I also recommend contacting the team you’re scrimming and see if they have a server option you can use

@Mothership

I, too, would like to see a paid structure for highlander! I’m just a little disappointed by the lack of options for that poll in particular. It essentially asked if we’d like all these divisions to be paid or none at all. Personally, I would rather have all divisions with a hard team cap(such as 8 team round-robin divs) have winnings and make the swiss divisions free, but that might just be a hot take

@Deltamarket Yeah, I think those points are completely fair! Situations can affect teams and players completely differently, and for the benefit of the players it concerns, ideally there will be room for admin discretion–even for things that are clear-cut in the rules. Though, I do recognize that admins have hundreds of players to keep track of, and looking into specific cases is not realistically obtainable for the volunteers.

I think a decent middle ground would be for a player, such as antlers, to directly reach out(ideally through a support ticket where an admin response is guaranteed without hunting for an answer/admin) and for the admins to be willing to work with them, reevaluate, and reach a beneficial result for both parties.

I also think admins are right to be skeptical when giving exceptions since it opens up more paths to being considered bias, unfair, and “corrupt”. As well as any other consequences there may be.

Specifically for demo requests though, I definitely think it’s an area to be improved, but not really something I can comment on since I know AC has their reasons which they’ve publicly stated somewhere, but I’m too lazy to search for it

@Deltamarket said in Thank You Letter to the RGL Admin Team:

The point isn’t whether or not it’s easy to record demos, it’s about the goal of RGL as a whole. Should discretion be applied in a small community when it helps, or are you going to enforce the rules regardless of what it does to the small group of people running production and involved in the game.

Is the purpose of RGL to help TF2 or to be a judiciary for a series of rules created? Enforcing rules at the cost of the former is, frankly, idiotic which is what the point of the letter is.

It shouldn’t affect production at all though? Any banned rgl players can continue to run any production/event. antlers can still cast whatever match he wants. the only time he is “not allowed” to cast while banned, is if it’s the same match as rgl or another casting org. The RGL ban should only affect his ability to compete in the league. So it’s not hurting any casting organization in the slightest. If he chooses to withdraw from the scene after breaking the same well-established rule 3-times within a somewhat short time frame, then idk man. I don’t think that, in particular, is on RGL.

@Deltamarket said in Thank You Letter to the RGL Admin Team:

The point isn’t whether or not it’s easy to record demos, it’s about the goal of RGL as a whole.

I suppose you again misunderstood the point of the thread. I’m not arguing the rules nor am I arguing he should be unbanned under how things are currently done. The clear intent was satire aimed at the entire point of RGL.

I would like to restate, the entire point of this is a discussion as to the fundamental mission of RGL. I’ve stated my intent three times now, and none of them was simply hate on the organization simply a discussion on it’s mission.

I think having these kinds of discussions is really good, and that we should voice our criticisms! However, trying to have a conversation on whether RGL is fulfilling its “goal of helping the scene” isn’t a super productive concept to attack directly, because there are so many small areas and issues that you could pinpoint that could better draw the picture–while also allowing RGL to work off the feedback. And I don’t think invalidating/dismissing any counterargument that attacks one of your supporting arguments contributes to discussion either. If you recognize the validity of recording demos, then why should antlers be an exception to the rules? Should RGL always be laxer with rules towards community contributors than the rest of the playerbase?

@WiLLmaTiC Can we expect survey results to be released soon or can we have an eta? I think it’s important that players can see this info especially earlier on in the season

@Halo said in Advanced is a joke:

@Constantly I’m pretty sure the team davy is talking about is Zipf’s Law, who won Main last season and wasn’t on the list.

ok yeah, Main winners and Main runner-ups from when Challenger was a thing shouldn’t be moved up for free. That’s like saying when Challenger was a thing that main winners should be able to skip advanced and immediately go to Challenger. The Main division winners from last season will play in a division with the same name, but this time with other players around the same skill level–which will be more difficult.

Again, my list is just a theoretical on how Advanced should have been. I listed 7 teams that stood out as the top teams underneath Invite and gave a suggestion on which teams deserve an opportunity to fill that 8th slot, with three out of the four qualifier teams moving down and being competitive with each other to compete for top Main while it has a high skill ceiling.
Ultimately though, that’s not what’s happening. We will be seeing a 14 team Advanced, absorbing what would have been the higher end of Main. It’s a bit late to fix these sort of issues for this season–but I hope some adjustments can be made for season 11.

@davyc ??? The winner of Advanced last season isn’t competing this season. I believe it was :3 esports which disbanded and then half the roster merged with nukroo–which then died. Only the 1st place team is guaranteed a move up–and that’s how it should be. In a division with limited slots, runner-up teams shouldn’t be guaranteed a slot in a higher division just because they’re a runner-up, especially if a full set of stronger teams form. With my theoretical list, it would have still potentially given them a slot through qualifiers if they could earn it.

Week 1: pl_vigil_rc7

WJQ308 vs FroggieLand
help! vs HOOD
squirtyay vs Yeye
Amigos vs 3600

Rest of the Matches can be found here: https://rgl.gg/Public/Matches.aspx?&r=24
Leaderboards: https://rgl.gg/Public/LeagueTable.aspx?r=24

What are your predictions for the upcoming matches? Post them here!

I don’t have much to add since I’ve already made my points when I commented on the initial announcement. Overall disappointing outcome though.

Personally how I would have sorted teams:
1 Train Station (invite qual movedown)
2 itsyAcore Expereince (invite qual movedown)
3 Home Depot (mid-high adv)
4 Ugandan Ghetto Airforce (3rd place Chall s9)
5 say our heavys name (mid-high adv)
6 dreamwastaken (Invite offclass)
7 21 & Women (Invite offclass)
--------quals---------
1 Kaboom Kollective
2 9:30 Bedtime
3 Insidious
4 Vindicators

Rest moved down regardless of complaints–unless they can make a really good case for themselves
I came up with this listing just by scanning logs quickly, looking at the overall previous exp, and seeing what names i recognized. Took me about 15 minutes top.

@puntero said in RGL & South American Inclusion:

Exactly. This is what we’re trying to fix, at least for Season 7 which is the one we all were already set-up to play before this rule change hit us.

We can talk about other flexibilities or inclusion whenever this season finishes if anybody is up for the game.

Okay, that is way more understandable. Considering the riot on tftv, I thought it was another misunderstanding about blocking all non-NA players from playing RGL(which is not true).

I support the idea that timing is everything when it comes to major change, and for a rule that potentially affects 100+ players, it is definitely something that I think could have more well-planned timing. I think part of the reason is due to the alting and cheating issue created a sense of urgency to update the ruleset–which I think is also perfectly understandable if it is the case.

However with the players in mind, the correct thing to probably do is to either delay the rule update entirely to s8 6s (s11 HL) OR allow existing teams to roster all their non-NA players by a certain deadline, where after the deadline, they limit the new roster transactions to the current limit. That could be a decent middle-ground for the teams that were affected this season