Playing an official where all the enemy sniper does is crouch peek is quite absurd because it’s not too different from one player simply drinking an invincibility potion during a sniper duel. I still don’t understand why RGL has not acted on this when it gives one of the players a significant advantage if the other sniper doesn’t have a wall on their right to abuse the bug themselves. Even ETF2L banned this a long time ago. I think it’s about time we get a response as to why there has been no ruling against this bug in competitive play.

Example of the bug in action: https://clips.twitch.tv/SmellyIcyCakeHeyGirl

@Fallen-Gourd I agree with you there. It’s cheese, but quite strong and annoying in some situations. I think that this bug will either take off in the future seasons, forcing RGL to act on it, like Timeless mentioned, or it will simply dissolve because players will start adapting and finding optimal ways to play around it. Overall, this was a great discussion and I appreciate everyone’s input on this thread.

@VeLT Please read the other posts that are on here. This thread isn’t about finding counters, but about having a discussion as to why this is still allowed to be abused. If it’s easy to counter for some people now, it’s only a matter of time before more good players find out about the bug and find really good ways to abuse it. I am trying to spread awareness about this existing in the first place because many didn’t know about it. I would narrow it down to not wanting to even give the potential to a sniper bug to grow out of proportions later on.

@Saturation said in How is crouch peeking still not addressed?:

@BoiSlipp buddy this is literally an example of exactly why youre wrong
not only did spu(bad sniper) lose the svs while doing a crouch peek, he also wasnt shooting anyone else on timeless’s team while timeless killed the demo thats all while the demo can easily spam two stickies and roll spu

@Saturation If you want to prove that I’m wrong, at least don’t contradict yourself in the one-sentence argument that you squeezed out. If a guy on stage is bad at playing guitar, then by your logic, guitar is a shitty instrument and does not have the potential to sound good.

@Qeb said in How is crouch peeking still not addressed?:

case closed

The only useful information you’ve provided in this thread is deleting your own comment 3 days ago, so if “I’m invite/challenger and you’re not” is the only argument you have, you’re right…case closed.

@jetz I didn’t steal that diamond, sir. I was just walking by and it fell in my hand, can’t you see? I would never do such a thing.

@pajaro https://clips.twitch.tv/DepressedThoughtfulGrouseMau5

@bigbubba no you won’t cause you’re banned on RGL lmao

@Alto Good point. Also quite funny that most cavemen who said “just play around it lol” or “I don’t see it as much so don’t ban” are 6s players who haven’t seen or played against a sniper more than 1 time in comp. Makes you think.

@Markers I am just speeding up the process. A thread like this would have been brought up sooner or later. I just decided to act on it after being tired of hearing about teams being rolled in officials because of this bug. Complaining without action is pointless.

@pajaro https://clips.twitch.tv/DepressedThoughtfulGrouseMau5

@Fallen-Gourd I agree with you there. It’s cheese, but quite strong and annoying in some situations. I think that this bug will either take off in the future seasons, forcing RGL to act on it, like Timeless mentioned, or it will simply dissolve because players will start adapting and finding optimal ways to play around it. Overall, this was a great discussion and I appreciate everyone’s input on this thread.

@QueeQuey I understand what you mean. I just want to make it clear that I never said that there are no counters to this; I simply wanted to know why this has not been addressed yet because I know many team leaders that we have scrimmed with (in IM and Amateur) who complain about the bug, but don’t end up bringing it up to the higher-ups. It’s not unbeatable, but very annoying to deal with in many situations, forcing you to deviate from the main team strategy and focus on one asshole who can only get kills by abusing a bug.

Edit: soldier/heavy headglitches etc. don’t make them invincible to one-shot kills. Sniper is arguably the most influential class in Highlander and Prolander, which makes this bug stand out over the classic headglithces and whatever else.

@pajaro Ah yes. The classic “just aim better dumbass” response. Not everyone can instantly become an invite player, but this peek bug allows a trash sniper to dominate in lower divs because of their ability to live in every single sniper duel if they are overhealed, which they always are. Snipers who abuse this know that their only vulnerability in a SvS is bodyshots, so no shit they will ask for an overheal before doing the bug.

1. “the other team’s sniper is almost never going to be fully buffed doing this peek”. Where are you even getting this information from? I can come up with 2 spots off the top of my head just on viaduct, a small koth map, where the sniper can abuse this glitch and still be in my beam’s range. House entrance and top of cliff (where the wall is to his right), so you’re simply wrong there.

2. “it’s not unfair enough that it will likely change the outcome of a game and it’s beatable”. You can say that anything is beatable with your logic then. If a sniper found a glitch that gives him 1000 hp, just send a soldier, demo, scout, sniper, and spy at them. Simple counter right? On top of that, if this is ‘part of the game’ like you like to call it, get rid of weapon bans in RGL. They are part of the game as well, aren’t they?

3. “idk where you’re getting the ‘[1 pixel argument]’ from”. I was talking about the other sniper’s head in that sentence. There is almost literally 1 pixel of their head’s hitbox that is sticking out for you to be able to headshot them. It’s somewhere between the neck and the jaw. This clip shows it better: https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingGrotesqueTigerNinjaGrumpy

4. “source engine has peeker’s advantage”. You might have to redo your research on source engine then…at least in this case: https://clips.twitch.tv/SmellyIcyCakeHeyGirl

@nyxi I get that it may not be as lethal in high ranks, but this strat simply dominates on lower skill levels. The majority of TF2 comp is not in invite, and they are the main people who dislike this crouch peek shit. We were getting dominated by a sniper abusing this in every possible situation in our official (but we still won, and no I am not a sniper main at all). I know other teams who also get dominated by it in Amateur or Intermediate, but no one ends up bring it up in the end.