@Xenagos You seem to have misunderstood my point. Free speech isn’t some law that applies to a company or doesn’t, its a universal concept and value that RGL can either choose to uphold or not. It doesn’t matter whether the country they are based in has implemented it, it is still a concept that exists. The morality of players being allowed to say slurs can be argued. I think it is a fine idea to prevent them from saying slurs in matches because that would reflect poorly on RGL. It is an entirely different thing however to police individuals in private discord servers entirely separate from RGL. I personally believe it is not up to RGL admins to decide what can and cannot be said in private servers.
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RE: Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
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RE: Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
@Xenagos The post specified private discords. Plus the concept of free speech is a global thing, not an American thing. Yes it has been implemented in American law, but the concept extends to all entities including RGL. Just because RGL isn’t legally obligated to uphold free speech doesn’t mean they aren’t morally obligated to.
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RE: Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
@HA-Johnny The problem with this is that you are still banning people for things that occur off platform. Remember, this is a competitive TF2 league, not an ethics community. Does somebody being racist off platform in private really have any bearing on the way the game is played at all? No. Therefore I think it is unreasonable for RGL to ban players for things that have no bearing on the service they provide. My overall point being people being racist (even sincerely) off platform has no bearing on actual scrims and matches, therefore RGL has no right to police it.
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RE: pl_midwest
@vibeisveryo das me! In all seriousness though from that spot it was way to easy to lock down both chokes because you can snipe over the fence.
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RE: Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
Listen, with all due respect, people are here to play the game. Why should it matter to you if someone in a PRIVATE DISCORD says something offensive to you? Does it affect your matches and scrims? If not then why should RGL police it? Doing so would be an extreme overstep and in my opinion would serve to push some of the best players out of the scene. If what someone is saying bothers you, it is easy to simply block them and leave the server. Also your point about RGL bans not infringing upon free speech is only in a legal sense. If RGL banned people for what they say in a private discord it would absolutely be a violation of free speech.
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RE: Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
@Xenagos Regarding your first point about there already being rules in place policing private servers, would you mind providing a link? I was unable to find anything.
In regards to your point about freedom from consequences, free speech protects you from consequences from the overbearing entity but NOT your peers. In this example it would mean a fellow teammate telling someone off for using slurs would not be violating free speech, but RGL banning people for what they say WOULD be a violation because in this case RGL is the overbearing entity.
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RE: Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
@Xenagos Again, the post explicitly refers to RGL policing PRIVATE DISCORDS. That’s what we are debating here.
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RE: Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media
Mothership As per my many, many previous posts, the “free speech” being referenced here is an abstract moral concept, not a law. Whether or not RGL is legally obligated to uphold free speech on their platform has no bearing on whether or not they are morally obligated to.
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RE: WCF LFP S15, GRINDCITY BABY
Phish we’re looking for players with more experience and better DM. Best of luck to him though.
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mentoring HL medics
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RE: BigBrainComp s15
Manfart is goated, but he had certain players last season that were straight up game losing despite having a high adv med and the best demo in adv. Will be interesting to see what can be done with the rebuild.
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HHJ is a goat and will carry this team
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RE: VGU LFP MAIN
Kaden is a reputable leader and good player overall. High hopes for this team next season