Playoff - Koth Round Amount
Wanted to open a discussion on a potential change of making KOTH Playoff rounds first to 4 with half time at 2 like regular season, instead of a 1 half first to 3.
I’m honestly not sure what others feel about this but I think not giving a team to talk at half time during the actual important matches makes no sense.
I think we should try and see this in a post season survey at least…
I agree. I’ve never fully understood why stopwatch is bo3 (potential for 2 half times) but koth goes to 3 rounds (no potential for half time)
one half of koth made sense when ugc stopwatch was also bo1 but there’s no legitimate argument you can make against this other than change = bad
@rj The reason for stopwatch being BO3 is that it was originally BO1, but people disliked that you could be fucked over by whether you started out attacking or defending. [/end reply]
Spitballing, but since it was originally BO1 due to time concerns and presumably KOTH is BO5 instead of BO7 for the same reason, I wonder if this couldn’t be remedied by keeping it BO5 but still implementing halftime at 2?
This was polled in the S7 survey. Out of the extremely low quantity of invite players that voted (around 20), it was split 9-9 with 1 person who had no opinion. (47%-47%-5% split)
For all divisions, it was 54% in favor of First to 3. 39% in favor of First to 4. 7% with no opinion.
We also polled what config to use for koth being First to 3 in playoffs. In invite, 8 invite players voted for a BO3 config (first to 2, allowing a halftime). 7 voted for BO5 config (what we currently run). 4 had no opinion. (42%-37%-21% split)
For all divisions, 29% voted for BO3 config. 61% voted for BO5 config. 10% had no opinion.
Thanks for the stats, I’d guess if it was in the previous survey it’d be in the next. Honestly I know I voted in the survey but I didn’t recall that question, or what I answered.
I think first to 4 and half-time makes a lot more sense.
I probably voted without knowing any of the verbage going on, can yall dumb it down a bit for me when regarding the surveys
I’d agree with a first to 4 with a half time. Especially given in PL/AD there’s a set up time so even without time between PL/AD rounds you have at least some time to discuss stuff. If a team is doing a weird strat on koth you have no time to discuss a way to deal with it.
This is slightly off-topic on my part, but if it is possible to increase the setup time in between KotH rounds, that could help to add discussion times.
e.g. 15-seconds before everyone can start rolling out in spawn
EDIT: It is possible to edit the time after round win until round restarts with mp_bonusroundtime. Hypothetically, this can be adjusted to say 10 or 15 seconds to allow for discussion after the round ends.
I feel like you’d need more time than 15 seconds, and at that point it starts getting kind of boring waiting if you don’t need it. Adding 1 more round to win doesn’t increase the length of the map by that much (I mean theoretically it could be an extra 2 rounds in a reverse sweep). Even if you’re hitting double OT on 7 rounds, PL?AD maps can go way longer over 3 halves Adding in 1 more round and then a half seems to make more sense.
Also imo Playoffs should be as similar to the regular season as possible. It doesn’t make sense that you qualify off a different ruleset than you place (which is also why we should swap to W/L over a points system but that’s a topic for another day).
Please make koth first to 4
@exa I believe this is etf2l’s solution to not having a half time in 5cp. End of round is just extended and allows teams to discuss what happened before having to rollout.
I feel like this is a good middle ground that should be implemented to all gamemodes and not just koth in playoffs. Sure, you get setup time in stopwatch, but the extra time might be beneficial.
I’m honestly fine with keeping stopwatch as it is. But I wouldn’t mind having that time in regular-season KOTH either, halves or no.
For consistency-sake, it may be best to have it apply to all game modes. Though, this can be polled during the offseason.