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@Kastaling if they are truly their friends only in there then they should have no problem saying stuff everyone is comfortable with without it being reported, and it definitely shouldn’t be targeted harasssment in there

@Kastaling much more so than in real life, where many organizations are already taking an approach like that advocated in OP. for example universities routinely expel students who post racist things outside their spaces

@Kastaling no, but the problem of racism is essentially endemic in any video gaming community

@hew said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

It is within RGL’s right to ask you to conduct yourselves in a non-racist fashion even behind closed doors and it’s not a very large ask.

You say this but offer no real reason why RGL should be, at all, concerned about how a player acts behind closed doors given that their behavior isn’t inflicting harm on another person or player. It is their job to be a video game league, not the moral police of all TF2 players in all walks of their life. If players like randyw or Mono72 fail to uphold the conduct expectations in official channels then they should be banned for those offenses. No one is saying that you should not be able to be banned for hate speech, merely that RGL ultimately has no reason to ban players for speech and servers which are, at best, tangentially related to RGL .

@Papaya because an rgl-peripheral platform influences the health of the league

@vibeisveryo said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@Kastaling the league is responsible for protecting its members to a reasonable extent. if someone, through the league, finds a team server or pug server, and then something happens there that would hurt them, then they are being let down by the league.

But this argument could be extended to almost anything far beyond it’s logical meaning. If I discover English Soccer at my local KKK meeting, does this mean that I will correctly believe that English Soccer is inherently racist? The answer of a reasonable person would be no. If one chooses to believe that despite evidence to the contrary then one chooses to believe something that is false. There is no reason why the league is responsible for its players outside of their function as players of the league or league-related content. Some players will be bigots inevitably. The responsibility of RGL is to prevent it from leaking into its moderated spheres, not to try to exorcise all of these players for failing to acquiesce to some moral standard they don’t believe in in all private interactions with other TF2 players.

@Kawaiyi said in Addressing Racism/Anti-LGBTQ Speech on Off-Platform Media:

@Kastaling He literally posted this about himself in a public discord.

so i’m laughing at how poorly written the test is.

i don’t get what you’re getting at? i mostly agree with you here

@Kastaling the league is responsible for protecting its members to a reasonable extent. if someone, through the league, finds a team server or pug server, and then something happens there that would hurt them, then they are being let down by the league.

@toast so i don’t think someone should be banned for just saying a soft-a in a team server, as part of the lighter, more discretionary hand rgl should use on such platforms. but if someone is being seriously bullied or excluded because of who they are, it should be treated as bannable

@D but then as i said team servers/pug servers exist in the periphery of the league and actions there can still cause people in the league to be hurt or leave the league. so if someone bullies someone in a team server to the point of depressive thoughts, self harm, or suicide, surely you don’t believe that just because it’s not in RGL.gg #serious-discussions, that it shouldn’t be punished by the league? because that’s what i mean by targeted harassment